Some specific grading questions

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Posted By: Kim

http://www.kegski.us/tobaccocards/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=3>

That is the link to my E102 Ty Cobb card. I rated it as VG based on the descriptions in the 2006 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards. I may be way off....I'm new to this.
My question is regarding the top and bottom lines of the image. The sides of the image are square to the sides of the card, but the top and bottom edges of the image are skewed somewhat. Does this detract alot from the the grading of the card? I've noticed a couple of other E102's with this issue as well.



http://www.kegski.us/tobaccocards/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=41>

That is the link to my T206 Addie Joss card. Notice that his name is cut at the bottom and re-appears on the top.
What does this do to the grading of the card?


Thanks for any input!

Oh, and I should have mentioned that the cards themselves are pretty perfectly square, even if the photos don't quite make them out to be.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Well i think it will effect the card. but not badly. The Cobb just looks miscut, seems to be vary common with tobacco cards. The Addie Joss also will be effected but not much. i think what will be affected is the centering. The Joss will (i think) would be worth more, just alittle

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Posted By: Glenn

Both are factory miscuts. As a rule miscuts do lower the grade/value of the card, but I wouldn't worry too much for these cards. The Cobb has what's called a diamond cut; this does negatively impact the value of the card, but only by a small percentage. The way the Joss is miscut, with the name appearing on top, will turn away some collectors but is actually considered a desirable characteristic by others. I wouldn't necessarily say that it improves the value of the card, and certainly not the grade, but the negative impact should be fairly minor.

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

The E102's should not be effected much - those cards are very tough and most collectors will be more tolerant of a miscut for a card that isn't easily available.

While there are a number of collectors (including myself) who consider the Joss card a miscut and will pay less for it, there is an increasing number who will pay a premium for a card with the name showing at the top, so I would not be surprised if that card as well as the Walter Johnson Tolstoi card went for a premium.

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Posted By: quan

lots of caramel issues, particularly the e92s/e101/e102 have this diamond cut where the image is slanted compared to the borders. it's a factory cut and all up to personal preference, but from collecting these cards i've grown fond of the cut and don't mind them at all, i'd grade the cobb g/vg because of the heavy ding bottom right.

the t206 joss is a freak miscut and could possibly bring a premium with some collectors...i'd leave the card up to more seasoned t collectors here.

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Posted By: JimB

I think the diamond cut on the Cobb is a non-issue because there is such a high percentage of diamond cuts among caramels as others have already said. And this one is not severe.

I think the Joss would probably suffer in value because it is not miscut enough to be a desirable oddity in my opinion - just severely off-centered. Others may disagree. As the old saying goes, "A card is worth what somebody will pay for it." There are all sorts of T-206 collectors out there and your Joss may be unique enough for some of them to add desirability.
JimB