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Old 11-09-2005, 01:43 PM
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HEllo,
I have bought htis card at a flea market in the states, and i cant tell if its real. i dont buy t205s often but i need the publics input onwhat to look for if its fake or real,<br /> it also has a HASSAN factory 30 back.
Thanks, heres a scan.


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Old 11-09-2005, 01:57 PM
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Posted By: davidcycleback

The real T205s have actual metal on the borders. The metal is a dust or tiny flakes that was glued to the card. Though often tarnished, the borders will look/shine like metal dust when held at an angle to the light because it it is real metal dust.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:05 PM
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Posted By: J Levine

David is correct...the actual borders on most t205s have tarnished a bit over time but if you hold it at an angle under a decent light, the metal will shine.

The color looks a little off to me as well...I do not have my back compilation in front of me but if I do recall, Joss did come with a Hassan fact. 30 back. A scan of the back might help me tell a little better as well.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:08 PM
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thank you, here is the back (look above) is the color off alot?

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:11 PM
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Posted By: Andrew Parks

I dunno, guys, I have owned 150 T205's and looked at hundreds more and that baby looks good to me. It's a helluva fake if it is indeed a fake.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:47 PM
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Looks real, even though the face is faded. May just be the scan.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:47 PM
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so will the metal stuff on the borders be a good thing if there not tarnished?

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:51 PM
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new..I consider this a big problem.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:52 PM
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Tarnished or not, metal dust on the borders is a very good sign of authenticity, probably the best single sign there is.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:52 PM
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Posted By: T206Collector

I'm not a T205 collector, but I own a few and have handled a few more. I think the shine on the borders, the wear the card exhibits and the back are all consistent with the genuine article. I would say I am about 80% sure it is real.

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:54 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Now, the question people are wondering -

How much did you pay for it?

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:05 PM
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for the joss i paid $40.- also bought other cards. i took the chance i guess to buy this card. i collected t206 and E cards. so t-205 are out of my league, but i thought it was worth it to see. i got alot more HOF'ers. i dunno i like taking chances and i hope i made a good one. even if they are reprints they look nice. i think i bought about 20 or so. i will sell them on here if they are real. i dont liek selling false items. ebay i hate there fees..... so they wont be on there.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:11 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Wow, that Joss looks real and the $40 you paid for it is only a fraction of what it is worth. Nice score! People dream about walking into those kinds of deals at flea markets and swap meets.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:17 PM
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yeah i know. i was lucky, i love collecting baseball cards, old ones i mean. should i grade it? and how much do u think its worth in this condition? i cant find an online price guide for free.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:18 PM
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and see what they think; I cannot tell from the scan.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:22 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

There's a PSA3 up on ebay with a BIN at $650.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-ADDIE-JOSS-PSA-3_W0QQitemZ8720381618QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You'd be better off getting it graded if you're thinking about selling it. SGC or PSA would be great.

Again, nice score. That's a highly sought after card.

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:24 PM
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holy f*@%, i never new it was worth that much, does the back make a difference in value? like in t206?

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Old 11-09-2005, 03:39 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

That's right, holy f*@% ----

The back on your card is the same as the one for the ebay BIN card. Yes, yours looks better... does that make you happy...? I gotta say it again - nice score!

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Old 11-09-2005, 04:03 PM
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thank you vary much for your help. is there anything else to look for when buying them?

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I agree with Julie. The back seems somehow inconsistent with the front. Here's the back & front of my copy for comparison. Impossible for me to say without seeing the card in person. I think that this card is the first to refer to the death of the player pictured on the back of the card. I think Ken Hubbs was the next.

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Old 11-09-2005, 05:57 PM
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but i have noticed on t206 and others, sometimes creases do not go through the card.

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Old 11-09-2005, 06:17 PM
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How can you go on and ON about borders, when the PICTURE in the CENTER of the card looks like it spent a year in a bathtib!

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Old 11-09-2005, 06:25 PM
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Posted By: Andrew Parks

Yer right Julie. And now that I look at the back - it might be too white.

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Old 11-09-2005, 06:28 PM
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well i took the picture with a flash camera, if that makes differance

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Old 11-09-2005, 06:33 PM
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its REAL.

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Old 11-09-2005, 08:00 PM
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Posted By: J Levine

I lean towards real...the back seems authentic and Joss does come with a Hassan 30 back (as Julie already demonstrated). The front looks too bright and washed out but that is probably his camera flash. $40 was a very nice price even with the creases.

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Posted By: Andrew Parks

The borders are what really sold me on this card. Those borders look real good. I dunno -- I see what julie's saying and the back looks too white, but still I also lean more to real than not.

Get the card graded and tell us what it did!

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Posted By: ockday

Its so fake I'll give you twice what you paid for it!
Seriously ...it looks pretty good!

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thank you, i will get it graded by PSA, or GAI. But PSA has alot of problems right now. GAI grades extremely weirdly, i have seen cards with paper loss, and creases graded 2's and 3's. it all depends......

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

There's the forum favorite - SGC

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SGC SGC SGC SGC SGC SGC!

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is there anything speical with SGC over other grading companies?????? i havent graded cards before.

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SGC knows a little more, and is more consistent, with what we collect on this board, imo....regards

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thanks everyone for your imput

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