value on '38 goudey hurt by autograph?

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Posted By: dennis

i think so,especially on this card.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86843&item=5214274602&rd=1

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Posted By: dan mckee

Absolutely kills the card in my opinion.

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Posted By: DJ

I collect signed cards and would prefer this to be signed in his prime, not in an ugly sharpie signature during an autograph signing.

I think signed cards add a little something and are unique if they are unordinary. I was an underbidder on the lucky board member who snatched up the Mayo Duffy and I envy Julie's Cuyler.

Anyone out there have any signed T206's they want to sell me?

DJ

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Posted By: cmoking

I am not an auto collector, but even I know that Bob Feller signs a ton of autos. A couple of years ago, he and Pete Rose had some kind of spat - Feller was pissed that Rose was signing autos in Cooperstown during the HOF weekend. Rose shot back something about Feller's autos being worthless since he has signed many millions. So this card is hurt by his "common" auto. But what if it was a different guy - say Jimmy Foxx? Or what about a lowly common that is auto'd - say by a guy that only played two or three years and was a complete unknown - so his auto would be hard to come by. I think a card like that would be interesting.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

The autograph on the 38' Goudey is a "vintage" Feller autograph.It could be from the 1950's-1970's I am not sure when Bob changed the style of his signuature. But the "F" in Feller is NO LONGER a backward lower case "F" and has not been in decades,(therefore, vintage) as Bob now signs the "F' in Feller as it now appears to look like the #2 with a high rising looped tail. I apologize, for the Feller signature study, I thought I could help out, though. I DO collect autographs on cards, I believe autographs enhance the card, as well as the value to some degree, of course. On July 23rd Bob will be at the Bob Feller Museum, I plan on having him autograph a 1952 Topps card, I picked up on a card show earlier this month. Card probably grades a STRONG VG+++. Is the autographing of this card a good move on my part, given it is low/mid grade? T-206 Collector are your autographed T-206's of Rube Marquard for sale? PLEASE email me. moneyman11380@mchsi.com
The story of the Rose/Feller spat, (THIS IS FACT, TRUST ME) is that Feller hates Rose with a passion, due to Roses' involvement in gambling and betting. Which Bob CLEARY points out in baseballs' rule book, that it's against the rules of the game to gamble/bet on our beloved sport. At one time Bob even told me, the article number.I can't remember it though. Feller believes that because Rose broke the rules, and dishonored our sport, that Rose has no right to attend H.O.F. events/signings at Cooperstown, dispite Roses' accomplished feat, of all-time hits king. That my friends, IS THE TRUTH, AND THE FACTS.

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Posted By: pete

i have a feller auto'd mini ball from the late seventies and it looks very different from that goudey. it looks more like the backwards lower cased f you described. so which one is vintage???

pete in mn

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Posted By: DJ

I have a Marquard T206 (seems a lot of them in signed form exists) and are most common of all the T206's that I have seen.
By 'vintage', I usually think during or around the time of the issued card and I believe that this is an eighties signature which doesn't excite me all too much. It's signed in a faded sharpie (which became common to autographs in the early-mid eighties). He has made a few variations to his signatures throughout. Either way, has anyone ever seen a Feller forgery? Why would anyone offer one? It makes a three cent index card worth fifty cents is all.

Someone in the eighties once said that signed Feller baseballs are so plentiful that it will soon be harder to find unsigned balls. I have met Mr. Feller several times (I think eight) and all I can say is that I dislike him with a passion and have no use for him. Talk about an ego!

DJ

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Posted By: Zach

I haven't met him but I know his autgraph is anything from rare....i'd rather have an unsigned goudey and his signature on a ball than a signed goudey of his. Also on some HBO special I think he said the rarest baseball is one without his signature..it seems like he does have an ego.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I can assure you all, that Feller does not have an ego. PRIDE.... YES. I wouldn't go so far as to say he is egotistical.Especially, when he speaks of his playing days,fans,children, and his military service. Feller is more proud of his military service than he is of his ball playing. I have known, and been friends with Feller for 10 years now. I have always regarded him as a classy individual. He has a running joke. It's as follows "Everyone in America either has my autograph, or they don't want it" .Therefore, Zach I think Feller was kidding with the comments he made on the HBO special. Opinions vary about feller from person to person, though. I will admit though, he IS very out spoken.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: davidcycleback

In the autograph hobby, Feller and Pete Rose autographs are famous for their plentitude. I'm not disturbed by above Feller signed Goudey. The signature is nice and neat (as his always are, which is a high compliment) and I think nicely placed. I wouldn't want Feller signing or writing his grocery list on all the Goudeys he can get hand on, but this one card is okay by me.

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Posted By: Zach

Adam yes he was kidding but the point is it makes him seem like he has an ego and that his autograph is not rare at all.

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Posted By: Julie

Hard get an UNSIGNED card of his! I think I have fewer unsignerd than signed.

But of course the little cartoonlets are covered by the signature on the '38, so, yes, it wasn't as good idea.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

When I had Feller sign a couple of old cards, he was very solicitous w/r/t where to sign. I had him sign right across the letters on a card and it looks great. A well-placed autograph can add to the aesthetics of the card.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Adam Warshaw,

Would you recommend that I have Feller sign my 1952 Topps, as well? It grades a strong vg+ almost ex. I just want another collectors' opinion.

best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I happen to like them, but I had this one signed years ago when the card and autograph together cost me under $20.

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Posted By: Zach

Not signed but Fellers 52 topps is a sweet card.

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Posted By: William Brumbach

A lot of 1952 and 1953 Topps also look good signed up the sides, gives the signature better contrast.



This Goudey Heads-Up Feller is actually the second one to show up recently, another sold earlier in the month that was a ball-point signature.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Here's my NEXT question, signed straight across, OR up on the side? (opinions please)

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

In that case, it all depends on your preference...mine would be signed straight across.

I remember a baseball art contest in a very old Beckett (probably early 90's) in which someone did a painting of a '52 Topps Feller, but left the signiture area blank. The artist then took it to a card show and had Feller sign in the spot where the facsimile would have gone.

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Posted By: William Brumbach

There was a collector or two who has taken original 1952 Topps cards and erased the facsimile signature with a pencil eraser and had the players sign the empty box. There was a Feller on eBay recently like that and I have heard of a Mantle being done the same way.

Adam, get what ever card you want signed anywhere on the card that you want. It's your card and your autograph experience. Some people like ballpoint or fountain pen, others like Sharpie. Some people like the autograph going up one of the sides and other prefer it across, some players sign the bottom of the '52s along the border under the marquee. Some people think old cards with a nice signature looks cool, others think it's a hideous travesty. What can you do?

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Posted By: Richard Simon

ADAM - ask Feller about his old sidekick The Cowboy.
I cannot print what I know, but see how Feller reacts.

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Posted By: DJ

C'mon Simon, spill it!

Are my eyes deceiving me but are there FOUR 1952 Topps Feller scans on this thread?



DJ

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Hey Richard,

Email me, and let me know about feller's sidekick, "The Cowboy". I would rather you tell me the inside joke than to lose my volunteer/membership status at the Bob Feller Museum.Too many free autos. from Fellers' H.O.F. guests* to lose out on! moneyman11380@mchsi.com

Best regards,

Adam J. Moraine

* "VOLUNTEER" PERK

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Posted By: goudeygold

I purchased the card raw about a year ago and had it sent to PSA/DNA for authentication. The seller I got it from stated he had it signed in person in the mid 80s.

GG