Zeenut grading question

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Posted By: tbob

Do SGC, PSA and GAI grade the Zeenuts which have the coupons removed? If so, is the coupon-less card given a lower grade because of the removal? Just wondering.
Thanks.
Bob

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Bob,

Only SGC will assign an actual grade whereas GAI and PSA will only place the card in an Authentic holder.

Greg

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I have a GAI-graded ex 5 1927 O'Doul Zeenut without the coupon. I also have a PSA ex 5 graded 1925 Vitt without the coupon.

Because of the prevalence of coupon removal, it is practically impossible to find them with coupons.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

are no longer grading couponless Zeenuts and you will get your grading fees back if you are expecting a numerical grade assigned. Just went through this with both of them.

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Posted By: jay behrens

The Thorpe Zeenut in the recent Mastro acution has no coupon and was graded SGC 70. I just submitted a 1918 Zeenut with no coupon to SGC, so I'll let you know how it comes back.

Jay

The difference between genius and insanity is acceptance.

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Posted By: Gary B.

given how rare the coupons are, to have a card graded on its merits without the coupon and given a numerical grade based on that, and then if the card had the coupon for it to be called (as an example) 1926 Zeenut With Coupon and then graded accordingly? It would be a given that a card graded "with coupon" would have significantly more value. How do they handle grading Redman's with and without the coupons?

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Posted By: Adam J. Baxter

Bob,
I've seen Zee-Nuts without coupons graded by both SGC and PSA. I haven't yet come across any that are slabbed by GAI. The only thing to my mind that will interfere with slabbing or downgrading Zee-Nuts is how the coupon was removed. If it was torn or recklessly trimmed off, that can affect the grade or whether or not it will be encapsulated. Also, if the coupon was trimmed or torn off, taking a large portion of the actual card with it, that will keep it from being graded. Finding a post 1912 Zee-Nut in slabbable condition can sometimes be a challenge. I've seen and owned quite a few Zee-Nuts with the bottom ripped off, trimmed at an angle, and cut so that 3/4 or less of the actual card remains. When it comes to finding nice Zee-Nuts, patience is the key. Becoming familar with the measurements of a Zee-Nut with the coupon trimmed off properly will be your best bet for knowing whether or not to submit it for grading. I forget if the 2005 Catalog lists the proper measurements or not.

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Posted By: Judge Dred

It's a well known fact that there are very few Zeenuts with coupons available. What about the coupons? Does anyone have a nice collection of Zeenut coupons cut from different year Zeenut cards?

Personnaly I like the Zeenut issues from the first couple years because there was no coupon to cut away. This leads me to a question regarding the backs of the Zeenuts without coupons. Some have small advertisements on the back, most don't. Is there a premium for the cards with the printing on the back? If so, how much?

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Only the 1911 and 1912 cards did not have coupons. I have cards with coupons from 1913 thru 1919. Several of these I got from Leon @ the National. These have all been graded by SGC, which is very harsh on back paste. All look ex to em and are graded 3 or 4. All of my cards have blank backs.

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Posted By: brianp

Besides the 1911 and 1912 sets, the 1938 set was also issued without an attached coupon (it came separately). The 1938's are always lumped with the 1937 issue because the front design is identical, but as of yet no one has completely been able to identify whether a particular card is from the 1937 set or from the 1938 set. The only way to do this is to find 1937 cards with the coupon intact. The Jim Horne Zeenut publication does list 46 of the 96 or so 1937-38 that had been found at the time (late 1970's?)with 1937 coupons, indicating a 1937 issue date.

The 1933-36 group found in the guidebooks were also issued separately each year, and suffer a similiar year identification problem.

Brian

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Posted By: nutszee

..on some supposed EXMT to NM 1911 Zeenuts. the ones that "Dodgerdude" is claiming came from Gus Zernials collection. lots of unadvertised creases and what sure looks like marks from attempts to spoon out creases. Very self-righteous seller won't budge (says as a power-seller he has no obligation to accept returns, has 30 yrs. experience, already paid his "client", too busy with his real job, etc..etc..)
He is about to get some heartfelt feedback.

...I see he has others now listed........beware.

(with appologies for the whine)

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Posted By: warshawlaw

sorry for your loss; the Zernial story sounded like BS to me so I was very wary but the cards sure looked nice. Isn't this seller a SoCal--if you need to hammer him, LMK. CA law provides some pretty heavy penalties for selling altered cards without disclosure.

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Posted By: DGT

....tis the season and all.

He finally agreed to allow me to return 2 if I eat his overgrading on the other 2 I wanted to return.
...keeps telling me he's one of the "good guys" and a "power-seller".......I keep telling him how disappointed I am.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

Mark Macrae has Zeenut coupons that he sells.............
MMa3026559@aol.com