Stealing: experiences with.

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Posted By: bimmy

sorry for bringing up old stuff.

but to answer elliot, my name usually has the link, sorry about that. and second it is pretty obvious that the regular posters do know each other and have known each other for a number of years. lurking for a month or even a week should make that clear. i can understand the sort of clubhouse effect here and know where where youre coming from. you dont want jerks saying this and that and starting screaming matches. but if i post casually, which i do, and someone says my opinions dont count because i havnt filled out my bio, thats a little disturbing. i normally dont give a real email address or a real name for that matter. so if i gave a fake name and address, you would have more respect for my opinion just because a page on the internet says i am so and so located wherever? maybe iam just rambling.

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Posted By: anon

The PSA vs. SGC (and related) columns brought up the idea that posting ones name and signing in--thus producing an e-mail for the curious--plus your IP adress, might provide a name and address to a prosepctive thief.

First I should say that my "anon" has an e-mail under it, for anyone who doesn't know who I am yet. But if there are complaints, I will revert to "Julie" again.

Please answer the following questions--in as vague or specific a way as you like.

I'd be interested in hearing 1) what was stolen from you and from where (details need not be details, of course), 2) what protection against thieves you had in place at the time? 3) Did you recover the stuff?
4) what changes you've made in security since then to prevent a reoccurance? 5) Is card insurance worth it, and does it cover the things you really care about?

And, most important, was the theft the result of revealing name, address, etc OR etc. on an internet site like this one?

I have not been stollen from since a classmate of my son's in midle school called the house and said he was the police, and could I come to the station to pick up my son, and while I was gone, he came in and helped himself to carefully chosen '50s and '60s cards. All were recovered, except for a nice '66 Mantle.

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Posted By: jay behrens

My home broken into once and various cards and memoribilia along with all my CDs and video games. The person that stole these items was a friend of a lady I had just broken up with and I had just taken all my high end cards out of the safe deposit box to do a show that next. My original plans were to do the show with my GF, so when only these cards were stolen, my thoughts immedently were of her and her freind I met that she said had been covicted of theft.

When I met the guy, he had asked me about cards and I told him I wasn't too worried about theft as I dealt in high end, very expensive cards and would be almost impossible for anyone to steal them and unload them without me finding out. Iw as on the phone right away calling evry dealer in Northern California I knew and told them what cards had been stolen (e254 Cobb with a very disctint print line, a NM Mikan Bowman, NM n162 Anson, etc).

A few days later I got a phone call from a local Sacramento dealer telling me that someone was coming to his store to show him a signed Ryan rookie, a e254 Cobb and other cards, all mine that were stolen. I got there before the guy with the cards did. The dealer happened to have an office door with a two way window so he a sherrif's delputy that arrived and I stayed back there waiting for him to show. There were also a couple of regular customers standing around, ready tot ackle the guy if tried to run. The person I suspected of stealing the cards walked thru the door and placed the cards on the counter. I told the deputy that the was the guy and those were my cards. I walked out, said "Hi! Steve". He was shocked and then tried to run, but the customers grabbed and the deputy took him down. He claimed that some guy in the parking lot asked him to sell the cards for him and that he would give him 40% of whatever he got, lmao!!!

I got back all but 2 cards (a Schmidt rookie and Brett rookie) and he was convicted of the theft and breaking and entering. Cal had just instituted the 3 strikes program and he was one of the first to hammered with 3 strikes law

Have I changed anything since then? No. What is collect is generally not mainstream and these easy to identify if someone tried to unload anything I collect.

Jay

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Posted By: petecld

Thankfully my home has never been broken into and if someone did would be very disappointed. All the good stuff is either in a safety deposit box I share or in a floor safe of a friend's house. He has two HUGE German Shepherds and both him, his brother, and his dad are HARD-CORE hunters. If you can get to my cards with all yours limbs attached and no bullet holes - you may have them.

As for this board, if you are not willing to ID yourself your words mean nothing and you should looked on as suspect. Julie, if you want privacy - stay off the internet - NOTHING is private anymore on the net. Any coward can hide behind his/her keyboard and the whole "oh, I don't want my cards stolen" line is pretty lame.

You can't have it both ways - only cowards and crooks want to speak up and have their words recognized, but don't want to BE recognized.

My two cents.

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Posted By: JulieVognar

..and then I thought how convenient it was, why not keep it? But I register an objection--I mean, an objection has been registered, so it's back to my name again.

But the internet sure can be scary. A couple of months ago, I was trying to log onto my e-mail at a friend's house--and what did I find but WHOLE CONVERSATIONS between me and Seth Nagdeman from 2 years ago--BORING CONVERSATIONS about the purchase of a card (especially boring to someone who wasn't intereseted in cards) that her husband had recorded! I've never asked him why, and have NO IDEA...nothing more recent, nothing about the Forum, recent purchases, ebay or auctions...

Bank vaults are fine unless you want to be close to your cards. And look at them with some regularity.
I've thought about getting a fire-proof safe (though since Bob and I quit smoking--maybe not in time to prevent cancer but in time to not burn the house down!--maybe the fire-proof aspect is not the most important thing).

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Posted By: bimmy

my house was broken into when i was about 13. they stole the standard stuff including all of my "good" cards which i kept in a seperate box. our insurance covered all the cards and i got full becket value, which is a lot more than i could get for those cards now. i bought some vintage cards like 55 koufax, 34 goudey dean and gehrig (#37) and t206 red cobb and stopped collecting for a while. i could have done a lot better with my money but i wasnt really involved with vintage cards at the time. i wanted to buy a 33 gehrig 8 (4,000 at the time) and sink all my money into that but my father talked me out of it. still kick myself over it. anyway i stopped collecting for a year or two. came back and collected new inserts and rookies, then it was just rookies, then vintage and rookies, then vintage, and now its just t206, t207 and t212. to tell you the truth if we werent robbed i dont know if i would be into vintage cards today.

as far as not putting down your information and therefore your opinion is worthless is rubbish. whats stopping me from writting in lies? im not putting down my info, but i did put in my email address. to contact me just click the blue "bimmy". i dont understand why people who arnt logged in and dont have their emails right there for you are saying this nonsense.

what else was i gonna say...i forget, email me if you remember

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Posted By: Elliot

Julie---I never realized it was so easy to get around the block. To think, all you need to do is type in "anon". I'm sure glad it's Bill that will have to figure out a way to make the block work better.

Bimmy--First, I don't even see your email address. Second, I think what you and many others fail to realize is that most of us know each other, either through card deals or meeting each other at various shows over the years. When you come into our "house" I think common courtesy dictates that you identify yourself (there are various ways to do this). If people find this too difficult, or just don't want to do that, then I believe that you should lose the right to participate in the discussions.

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Posted By: jay behrens

The anon posters should be able to post, just not in topics that are heated and very opinionated. It's a huge contradiction to claim you want to be anonymous and yet have a loud and vociverous opinion. You can't have it both ways here.

Jay

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Posted By: Cycleback

The general distinction concerns what someone has to say. If an anonymous newbie asks whether or not Hal Chase is a member of the Hall of Fame, it's unlikely that anyone will object. If an anonymous newbie posts that so-and-so stole money and trims cards, it's a different situation.

When someone anonymously posts wild accusations, I automatically disreguard the accusations. If the person is unwilling to stand behind what he says, why should he expect me or anyone else to have faith in the the accuracy of his statements? It's so easy and inviting to make stuff up when no one knows who you are.

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Posted By: Elliot

I agree totally with you Jay and David, as you know from many of my past actions and words. When I used the word "discussions" i was referring to the contentious discussions that we sometimes have, as opposed to a simple question. I would also note that a person is more likely to get a response to a simple question if they use common courtesy. This occurence is not just here on the board, but life in general

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Posted By: runscott

There are many participants who have only been posting for a few months, but most of them were polite and posted an introduction before diving in - it's a way of getting to "virtually" know each other, and that's really all it takes.

If you were having a party and a stranger walked in your door without knocking, unknown to anyone, dove into a few conversations and then refused to tell anyone who he was because he was afraid someone at the party might decide to rob him later, wouldn't you boot his *ss out the door?

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

...during which time I wrote about 35 people, telling them what had happened (ALL of it...). Some of them wrote Bill. Whether this influenced him or not, at 8 the next morning, I could read the Forum again, and, to my surprise, I could also post--although Bill had asked me not to. I did anyway, using "anonymous," and being pretty uncontroversial. When Bill wrote a friendly post at me, I came out of the closet (as it were).
Now, where were we?

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Posted By: Elliot

Just so I understand---are you saying that Bill asked you not to post, but you did anyway?

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Posted By: Julie

when I still COULD NEITHER POST NOR READ the Forum. I wasn't sure the suggestion that I not post meant that I wouldn't be able to anyway ("I think it would be better if you didn't..."), or that I would shortly be able to read the Forum again. In fact, I had little hope of this--i figured the "3 or 4 days" meant that I wouldn't be able to see what anyone wrote for 3 or 4 days anyway.

Since no statement had ever come from Bill saying that my Forum priveledges has been revoked, I wasn't too surprised that none came saying that they had been reinstated.

But yes, it's true that I didn't know for sure whether i was suppoosed to be able to post, just because I suddenly could. So I called myself "anon."

I assumed, if I was not to post, I'd find out soon enough.

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Posted By: Bill

Let's move on, please.

Bill

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

I'm particularly interested in any that anyone has experienced due to internet (i.e. places like the Forum) exposure--since that seems to be the bone of contention between those who don't want to post vital statistics and those who think they ought to.