joe jackson w-514 on ebay

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Posted By: Ben

I was surfing ebay's newly listed items in pre-1930 baseball and came across a Joe Jackson w-514 with a buy it now for $150. I decided to jump on it immediately and bought it. Here is the url:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865841118&rd=1

item #1865841118

Did I get a good deal on the card??? should I be worried about the authenticity of the card? I thought it was a safe bet because he has another lot on ebay with a bunch of w514's. Any replies woul be greatly appreciated.

Ben

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Posted By: B. Hodes

Along with his "game cards" (polo grounds etc) this is the least popular Shoeless Joe card I know of. Nonetheless, ANY Shoeless Joe card from his playing days is hard to find at a reasonable price and my guess is that regardless of the book price you could recoup this price and then some if you are patient.
Although collectors don't generally find it a good reason I find this card a particularly interesting specimen because it was issued in 1919-20 and was with the White Sox which is not so with many of his otehr issues.

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Posted By: runscott

I don't collect 'W' cards, but this one is about the only affordable Jackson.

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Posted By: goudeyhunter

on this card and one would have to wonder why. I took a look at the site, and the card does appear to be authentic, but pictures do hide many things as I've learned over the years. I've seen this card sell in this condition at shows and on Ebay for between $500-$1,000 recently, so I would have to ask why the "buy it now" option on this card was only $150? I don't want to interfere with your decision or this seller, but you might consider getting an email from the seller that guarantee's the authenticity of the card, with a guaranteed no questioned asked return policy, before sending payment. Another thing you should do is print out a color copy of the auction, so you have the picture to compare the card to when it arrives. Overall, I would say that something seems amiss here...

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Posted By: ben

are you sceptical with regards to the card's condition, or the card's authenticity?

The auction seemed legitimate because he has another large strip card lot on ebay, and the cards in that lot seemed to be authentic. also, the seller is not new to ebay, he has 1200+ feedbacks...

As for its condition, it seems a little miscut on the left border, some cornder wear and a few creases. If this card was put on ebay for $1 with no reserve, how high do you think it would have gone?

Ben

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Posted By: Albie O'Hanian

While the sellers feedback rating does not inspire confidence and his grading called into question on a few lots he has sold the deal looks pretty good. I am surprised that you got it for that low a price. Even if there is unseen damage it seems like a good deal.

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Posted By: goudeyhunter

I'm mostly skeptical about the starting price and the "buy it now" price. The seller even states in their description that the card probably books for $700-$1,000. Why offer for $150 then? This is just common sense kicking in here.
Again, however, the card "appears" to look authentic. But, I can't get over the price tag. If it's real, he should have gotten at least double that price, at least. It doesn't add up...

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Posted By: David

I think it's in the best interest of both the seller and the buyer to 1) Guarantee the authenticity. Which can simply mean that if it turns out to be a fake, the seller can return it for a refund. Most buyers understands that mistakes happen with everyone, and just want to know how a potential situtaion will be handled if there is a problem. 2) Specifically state the return policy, whether it's liberal or restrictive. The return policy will differ from seller to seller, but, it it's resonabl, and specifically stated, the auctions will get more bids.

In my auctions, I specifically guarantee the authenticity, and have a very liberal return policy. Not only does this attract bids, but I've NEVER had a frivolous return. Lastly, knowing that there is such a return policy, you can bet I make sure that the items are described accurately.

Otherwise well-meaning and honest sellers who have overerly restrictive terms (All sales are final, no matter what), are really only hurting themselves, as it will scare away bidders.

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Posted By: leon

My few ebay auctions state "No returns unless I make a material mistake" I say this so someone doesn't buy a card and send it in for a grade and then want to return it. I also use BIG scans, and ebay pic enlargements, which makes for good auctions. I have never had ANYONE say they did not know what they were getting. I still think these are auctions and not retail, and I am not a dealer, and I am not taking returns.....again, unless I make a material mistake....a fake card would be a material mistake....regards all....

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Posted By: David

Perceptions are important. Knowing what you sell and that most of it is SCD encapsulated, I would simply change the wording (not the policy, which is both a reonsable return policy and implicity guarantee of authenticity) to a less Draconian-sounding 'Will accept returns if there is a material problem.' The idea is to give confidence to the potential bidder who does not know you and is wondering if it is safe to bid.

Again, unduly restrictive or unresonable policies (ala, not allowing for return even if it is fake) hurts only one person-- the seller.

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Posted By: petecld

Granted, I don't specifically say so in my auctions regarding returns for ungraded cards but I agree with Leon - I won't take returns unless the card turns out to be trimmed or fake (happy to say, neither has ever happened).

Graded cards are a definite NON-returnable item. Not my fault if you don't like the decision of a 3rd party.

The best way to avoid returns & complaints is to post clear scans.

So far I've only had one complainer - tbob.

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Posted By: TBob

I return one card in my entire card collecting career and never live it down....

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Posted By: David

I am more than satisfied by the way I approach this, in partiuclar as I deal with often esoteric matieral, like obscure autographs, where the potential bidders are naturally wary. Even though most autograph bidders may have no plans on returning an item (which they never have) or having a local expert check it out, I have no doubt that they are more likely to place a bid due to my clearly related return policies.

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Posted By: leon

Hey, This is fun...responding to 3 comments in one post.....

David- I appreciate, and value, your mature judgement on the phrasing of my policy. After carefully thinking it over I will continue to word it the way I do. The reason for the "draconian" wording is just that. I want it to be NO RETURNS.....I feel if I make it too polite then some folks could construe it the wrong way....again, I am not disagreeing with your wisdom here.....(also, most of my stuff is SGC not SCD...not that there's anything wrong with SCD )

Pete- your smiley guy is winking ....pretty cool...I have been too lazy to go check out the cool smiley's...

Bob- you rascal....how dare you return something to Pete....don't you know Pete is master of caramel cards?...and it sounds like you spoiled his perfect record.......just having some fun here......regards all

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

and I paid $4 for it...twenty years ago!

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Posted By: petecld

Tbob,

You should be honored.

My family motto is: "Abuse is a sign of acceptance."

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Posted By: Ben

I still haven't received a single email from the seller of the jackson w-514. Its been over 2 days since I won the auction.

Is it possible that somebody either saw the card in 'completed items' or read my post on this board, realized the super-low BIN price I got the card for, and proceeded to offer the seller alot more for it? I hope not...

If this guy is a decent seller he would stick to the original BIN price. IF he was a decent seller, I probably would have heard from him by now. Oh well...maybe this card was too good to be true sob

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Posted By: David

Maybe him not contacting you is a blessing in disguise. Also, he may be out of town. I sometimes go out of town without my computer and the email has to wait until my return.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

he was climbing Mt. Everest! And his wife, who was manning the phones, was upset because she hadn't heard from him by email for a couple of days.

All ended happily. It's a T206 Duffy with a Tolstoi back. About ex.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: jay behrens

given what other w514s have sold recently, $150 is a good price, but I can't imagine anyone offering something significantly higher. I got the Ruth for $160, Cobb went $250, almost all the Black Sox went for around $100 and all the other top HOFers went for $75-$100.

Another post asked why did he have a $150 BIN if he listed high book at $700-1000. Tha't becuase the card is nowhere near NM condition. The BIN have have been a bit a low, but not out of line with current prices for taht condition. He'll, I never thought I would land a decent looking Ruth card $160

Jay

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Posted By: Anonymous

This is what Ebay has to say about investigating cases where the seller refuses to answer emails, doesn't acknowledge my valid transaction, or they have already sold the item.

"eBay cannot force a seller to honor their transactions. You should of course, leave appropriate feedback for the reluctant seller to warn other buyers of his or her past history. Depending on your local jurisdiction, you may have independent legal recourse against the seller."

I've never contacted ebay before, but judging from this paragraph in their investigation policy, their helping me seems doubtful...any suggestions?

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Posted By: Ben

sorry