Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42

[PrewarCollective]

How rare is this back actually? What sort of multiplier does the value see with this back? I’m still pretty new to t206 and just trying to learn as much as I can.

[t206fix]

depends on the front side... show us

[tedzan]

The PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 cards are quite rare. To date, 72 subjects have been confirmed.
And those of us who have been putting together this PIEDMONT run (for at least 20 years) are convinced
that this Check-list is complete......





PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 confirmed list............

350/460 Series......63 subjects (complete)

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)



460-only Series......9 subjects confirmed (appears to be complete).

Chase (Trophy)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
Merkle (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Rhotchkiss]

In my experience, pied fact 42 is a very tough back. However, as with most backs, some front—combos are tougher than others. For example, I am aware of only 3 examples of Tinker bat off in a fact 42, whereas I think yellow Chance and red Cobb are more available. Personally, I think fact 42 is tougher than brown hindu.

As for value, I find that scarcity does not often equate to value. Despite the fact that fact 42 is scarce, it’s the factory and series that make it scarce, not the back itself. Indeed, Piedmont is the most common back, and aside from the series-factory number, fact 42 looks just like all other piedmonts (maybe the blue is a little lighter). For this reason, I don’t think it brings the premium it should. It really comes down to back vs nuances of a back

As an aside, I also find that Sweet Cap 350, 25 can be a major pain in the ass to locate in many combos.

[nineunder71]

Well said Ryan, Cheers

[nineunder71]

Austin,
Check out T206resource.com when you have some time. I think you will enjoy it. I reference that site frequently, good luck getting into T206s, I’ve been addicted for well over a decade now, haha

And Welcome!

Colton

[PrewarCollective]

Originally Posted by t206fix

depends on the front side... show us

It’s Clark Griffith batting

[MVSNYC]

Ryan said it perfectly. Quite a rare back, nuanced, but definitely underpriced for how rare it is.

Here's one...

[tedzan]

Circa early 1990's, I started a PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory 42 run. I neared it's completion (90 %) by 2006. Then, I decided to break it up.
Subsequently, I helped four Net54 collectors (including David Hall) to complete their "42" runs by trading from my set of these cards.

I kept my PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory 42 blue Chase, since he is my favorite T206. Also, I kept this Mike Donlin card since this card is part
of my Donlin run.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[atx840]

Nice Ted, kept my example as well. As mentioned Tinker is oddly tough (thanks Ryan!).

[Aaron Seefeldt]

I have a couple. The bat off is much more difficult than the red.

[DeanH3]

I would like to add a Matty Dark cap P42 to my run at some point. I have only one so far. Overall, definitely a tough back to track down.

[Gradedcardman]

To clarify, David Hall did not complete the PD 42 run. He was missing the Chase Trophy and for many years had PSA convinced it did not exist. The subset is very difficult to complete. There are many cards that seem to show up more often than others. Then the opposite happens with the Tinker batting, Donlin, Schlei Portrait and the Evers as well to name a few. I collected the back run of these because I needed a fun rare back challenge and I live in NC. It was a 5 year or so journey that cost quite a bit of money( once people know you want them you are in trouble, at least I was) but was fun to complete. Teds list of 72 are the ones that have been seen. There are 4 that are speculated to exist but have not been proven to exist. Value is all over the place. The higher grades start to rival other similar difficult backs but the low grade average around 2-3X. Didn't mean to ramble on but these have been a passion.

[MVSNYC]

Adam, ramble on brother. You're one of the authorities on P42.

[nineunder71]

Great Cards guys, neat thread, carry on

[PrewarCollective]

This is the card I bought.

[mybuddyinc]

P42s are always fun .... especially when you find one randomly in a pile of "just Piedmonts" ..............

.............. I only have a hand full in my set, but this one is my lowest pop. ..................

up41.jpg

Fun, fun, Scott

[brianp-beme]

I got this Gabby Street catching for $10 back in the days when a regular T206 Piedmont in this type of condition would be around $15 or more (always the bargain shopper). When I received it, lo and behold, factory 42 it be.

It is my one and only, the rarest T206 back that I have (always have been a front guy), and Gabby is likely in for a lifetime of T206 Piedmont 42 loneliness.

Brian

[StraightRaceCards]

Wasn’t aware of the factory 42 rarity. Piedmont has always been one of my favorite backs. Thanks for the info guys!

That’s one of the many reasons why T206 is fantastic, always something new to learn!

[Jobu]

Here are some more.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Here are some more.

Oooh, that Matty.

[RCFire82]

Since everyone is doing it...fairly scarce with only 3 total graded

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by PrewarCollective

This is the card I bought.

nice!

[tedzan]

Here are seven PIEDMONT 460/42 cards that are of the dark blue ink variety. Mostly, all of my "42's" are the light blue ink variety.







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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[inceptus]

My one and only...

[parkerj33]

schlei port is a toughie? i have an sgc5.5!! will post photo later.

[fkm_bky]

Awesome cards guys! This is one of those threads where I wish I could contribute. Keep em coming!

Bill

[Sean]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I got this Gabby Street catching for $10 back in the days when a regular T206 Piedmont in this type of condition would be around $15 or more (always the bargain shopper). When I received it, lo and behold, factory 42 it be.

It is my one and only, the rarest T206 back that I have (always have been a front guy), and Gabby is likely in for a lifetime of T206 Piedmont 42 loneliness.

Brian

Brian, I did the same thing with the Merkle. I bought one on eBay fifteen years ago. The scan was poor, and it cost $25. When I received it I found that it was a Factory 42.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

To clarify, David Hall did not complete the PD 42 run. He was missing the Chase Trophy and for many years had PSA convinced it did not exist.

He should have asked me; I had one for many years and it was the only one I had!

[imdaman1964]

Do we really know the POP's given some of the older Piedmonts are logged in as regular backs?

[Leon]

There are some great looking 42s shown. And some have very dark back print, a big bonus. Many moons ago, when I was doing my T206 back run, 42s were actually one of the tougher ones relative to some other toughies. As is always mentioned, they don't get their just dues but then again, they are only a factory change.
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[tedzan]

Where have all the T205 PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory 42 cards gone ?

Certain T205 versions are just as tough to find just as are their T206 "cousins".

Frank Schulte is a good example of one of them......


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

And then, there is a T205 Howie Camnitz with a PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory 42 back.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Another T205 with a rare PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory 42 back......George Schlei.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[RCFire82]

Similar as mentioned above, the photos were blurry and the card was never mentioned as a factory 42... very pleased when the card arrived and my suspicions were correct 😊

[cliffyb]

Here’s one I bought recently.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cliffyb

Here’s one I bought recently.

That is a great looking, not so washed out (as usual), P42! Congrats!
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[Yoda]

There is a nice P42 Leach fielding PSA4 in the current PWCC weekly auction. Currently only $66.

[MVSNYC]

Nice P42 guys. I added this PSA 2 to my run recently...and will be selling the SGC 1.5 in REA coming up...(and the Willis also).

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a great looking, not so washed out (as usual), P42! Congrats!
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+1. Great card/combo

Mike, your post ain’t half bad either!

[cliffyb]

Thanks Leon! I haven't checked this thread in a long while. To get a compliment on this site is quite rewarding!

[Yoda]

I, too, hold the Griffith 460P42. They appear to be quite plentiful.

Believe the reason might be the Chance yellow and the Cobb red are more plentiful is that they were double printed.

[cliffyb]

And thank you Rhotchkiss! It was a dream of mine to get a decent Cobb. Already told my teenage son it will be his (or maybe it will go to teenage daughter. I guess we/they will see!).

[anchorednw]

Been wanting to snag a P42 at some point, so I snatched these 2 from ebay this evening. Interestingly enough, I think the Germany Schaefer was owned by the late, great Ted Z (post 24) and possibly the Ed Willetts as well.

If so, very happy to add my first P42, once owned by the man himself.