N694 Risido Women Baseball Players

[teza11]

Hi. Has anyone seen a "Second Base" card from this series? The REA lot that sold sometime back did not include one. Regards, Jeff

[teza11]

Well, given the lack of any response, I'll try another angle. I'm trying to get some information on the attached women's baseball players silk. From what I can tell, the image is shared with the scarce N694 Risido card series. Based on the position of the players, I'm guessing this would be "Second Baseman". I was hoping that someone here would have the corresponding N694 image to confirm. The silk measures approximately 5.75" x 4.25". Possible point of purchase marketing piece for the series? It clearly comes from the same time period. Thoughts? Jeff

[Leon]

I can't help out on info but that is a cool silk. Certainly looks to be some kind of premium. I would have to guess that there is info out in the hobby but it's not easily found. Good luck in the quest. Sometimes the harder it is to find info the more gratifying it is when it is found.

[Cozumeleno]

Jeff -

That image was used in the 1884 Allen & Ginter/Virginia Brights Polka Dot Nine series. Those were catalogued as the H807-2 set by Burdick in the ACC. That image is card No. 8 in the set.

Originally Posted by teza11

Well, given the lack of any response, I'll try another angle. I'm trying to get some information on the attached women's baseball players silk. From what I can tell, the image is shared with the scarce N694 Risido card series. Based on the position of the players, I'm guessing this would be "Second Baseman". I was hoping that someone here would have the corresponding N694 image to confirm. The silk measures approximately 5.75" x 4.25". Possible point of purchase marketing piece for the series? It clearly comes from the same time period. Thoughts? Jeff

[teza11]

That's pretty cool! I really appreciate the information. Has anyone else come across any other silks from the A&G "Polka Dot Nine" series of cabinet cards? I've attached a picture of the Crop of 1884 No 8 cabinet card for reference. Regards, Jeff

[Cozumeleno]

No problem - I haven't seen others. I'm also curious about the dating. The other tobacco silks I know of are more from the early 1900s/1910s. I don't have my copy of the ACC handy so not sure when they really began printing them.

The set the image is from is from 1884 but I wonder if the silks were produced later than that.

[teza11]

Interesting question about the production date. There was a companion silk included in the sale that also featured baseball (teams playing in background). Given the horse and buggy scene in the foreground, my best guess is that these would have been produced in the 1880's as well. Could this pair possibly represent the first baseball scenes produced on silk? Anyone else have any early silks featuring baseball? Regards, Jeff

[Leon]

I don't have any at hand but believe I have seen some olders silks such as these before. That said a baseball scene on a silk from the 1880s is very early. BTW, the ACC doesn't give exact dates but lists Silks in the 1912-1915 time frame. No mention of these that I can find.

[Cozumeleno]

Thanks, Leon - I'm without my ACC right now but that's about what I was thinking with regards to the dating.

[Joe_G.]

FWIW, A&G cigarettes were produced with ~3 year old crops at that time. I have two 1888 cigarette packs that are dated June 26th and Dec. 18th 1888 that both advertise being from the "Crop of 1885". Most of the "Crop of 1884" A&G items likely date to ~1887.

[teza11]

Thanks Joe for the additional information. Still curious about the "first known baseball silks", I did find this Stevengraph baseball image dated to 1895 from a prior REA listing. However, Stevengraph's were woven silks as compared to the two printed silks I'm researching. Regards, Jeff

[Joe_G.]

Here are a couple related examples of early baseball silks . . .

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7024-80004.s

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../#&gid=1&pid=1

There were similar silks printed in 1888 for the Detroit and St. Louis teams.

Regards,
Joe G.

[teza11]

Thanks for sharing some other early examples Joe. In taking a closer look at the silk I have, it's interesting to see that like the cabinet card the "A No. 8." sequence number is also printed on the silk.

Jeff

[Cozumeleno]

That's great stuff, Jeff - nice catch

Originally Posted by teza11

Thanks for sharing some other early examples Joe. In taking a closer look at the silk I have, it's interesting to see that like the cabinet card the "A No. 8." sequence number is also printed on the silk.

Jeff

[teza11]

I'm adding a new sighting of a Polka Dot Nine players card to this thread. At first glance I thought it was the same image from my silk and the A&G cabinet. However, a closer look shows the following differences; 1) player on right arm is down at her side and 2) reference number is "B. No. 7" versus "A No. 8". This image comes from an unbranded small format tobacco sized card. Enjoy!

Jeff

[teza11]

Ok. First, my apologies for those of you already bored with this thread. I'm vested at this point and had to post my latest finding. Turns out I'm not the baseball fan I thought I was! What I thought was Second Base appears to actually be First Base. Take a look at the 1880's trade cards below. Apparently the Polka Dot Nine series images were broadly used.

Jeff

[Cozumeleno]

Yes, Jeff - those images were widely used. They were on the Virginia Brights cabinets and the Risidos, and similar pictures are in the N48 (Virginia Brights/Dixie cards) and N508 (Sub Rosa) sets. To muddy the water further, there are more of the images used in the N154 presidential set with oversized heads of candidates on the women's bodies.

I hadn't seen one on a trade card before but it's not surprising to me. We've seen it on your silk and they clearly got around quite a bit.

[tim_uk]

Hi Jeff, looks like there was a Risido "Out on First".

I've posted all 7 known Risido cards here:

https://forum.vintagenonsports.com/p...4&forum=627991

Any increase on 7 known cards?

[clamendo]

FYI - My friend consigned two Risideo Wonen Baseball cards to the upcoming Huggins and Scott auction. In think they are pretty rare.


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