Anyone ever see 1952 scraps mid series with high # backs

[sflayank]

Found a bunch of these
Haven't seen 52 scraps wrong back before

[JustinD]

Oh, that’s most definitely hand cut printer scrap for sure. Happy to see it properly identified.

It’s out there and I have seen it but most of us error collectors have it hoarded and it’s no longer common for it to appear. The reason being is that while it is definitely not worthless and in fact commands an easy 3 to 4x premium over a normal card in similar condition from the error collectors, a few eBay sellers have it marked up to the moon at silly prices.

One in particular who was a short lived member of this site has an error museum on eBay charging 20-25x the value of most of his errors. It causes ridiculous confusion to newbies who now see an auction for 4K that has been there for years.

Drives me nuts and limits the sale of these as no one would pay his estimates. These should always be auctioned with good descriptions to get the best returns.

[bnorth]

Those are cool, too bad they are cut like that. They are a great oddball item.

[sflayank]

What kind of value would you put on these?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sflayank

What kind of value would you put on these?

I have no idea but as a oddball error collector I would pay $15 delivered just to have an example in my error collection.

[ALR-bishop]

I would put them on BST and invite offers , Larry

[sflayank]

Many inquiries

[sflayank]

Here it is...yes it is ,#311

[G1911]

Of course it's the Giant I'd want that has the #311 back! That's a pretty cool find. I haven't seen these before in 52.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Many inquiries

That is what for sale posts without prices get.

What type of offers are you receiving? What do they think they are worth and do you agree?

[sflayank]

Not for sale yet
Just got them yesterday
Haven't seen 52s with hi scraps

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Not for sale yet
Just got them yesterday
Haven't seen 52s with hi scraps

That Mantle should get a nice price. A Eddie Mathews would be better.

Are the offers close to what you paid? That should give you a little idea of value. My guess would be to auction any big names like the Mantle and sell the others at a set price.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by sflayank

What kind of value would you put on these?

I find with items like this that it really falls into luck of the draw as to whomever is bidding that day. I would think the Mantle back would get a good return and I would start the bidding at something near 299.99 to get interest once or twice if needed.

As for the rest I would start bidding at 19.99 for the ones with no borders and 29.99 with and list no more than 2 at a time to add scarcity.

List as double printed back errors in title and printer’s scrap in the description to cover your bases.

You can always ask way more and take best offers if you want to dredge for your personal required value, however high prices with BOs tend to sit because they scare people off.

0.02 cents.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Here it is...yes it is ,#311

What interests me is the printing errors that were hand cut down in size. As kids, some of us routinely took scissors to the '52 Topps cards to make them the same size as the Bowmans so that they would fit neatly in the rubber banded packs. So, the card images that Larry posted could indicate that some full-size double-printed backs might have been given to kids by a Topps worker and were then cut into scraps.

[ALBB]

I think a pretty rare find, the Mantle back will bring good money

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Here it is...yes it is ,#311

It seems especially odd, if not downright impossible to explain (although I'm sure someone here can) how the back of a card from one series could be over-printed with the back of a card from a later series. Were both series in production at the same time?

[toppcat]

It's 100% coincidental but I have a post up today on Bowman overprints.

http://www.thetoppsarchives.com/2022/04/what-mess.html

[Cliff Bowman]

It's the Type 1 version of the 52 Mantle with the line under the Yankees logo box which was in the upper left corner of the uncut print sheet. apparently Diering was in the bottom right corner of the sheet he was printed on.

[Exhibitman]

The Mantle back has "auction" all over it. Lots of collectors who have a 52 T Mantle already would love to add that as an adjunct conversation piece. Would fit great with mine:



OK, it is a 1995 Hamilton porcelain card...

[toppcat]

180 degree rotation makes sense, the big question I guess is were the scrap sheets stored by the printer for this purpose or did they just go from the end of the last press run of semi high's to the highs? Another question is if they did this to match ink colors.

I find a deliciously ironic that these were cut down to fit with a stack of Bowmans!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

It seems especially odd, if not downright impossible to explain (although I'm sure someone here can) how the back of a card from one series could be over-printed with the back of a card from a later series. Were both series in production at the same time?

I think there is a general misunderstanding of printing scrap. This is not a “printing error” per say. Scraps are strictly junk sheets sitting around the print shop to toss in and out of the presses to check alignment and such. I have examples showing many different runs, different sets, and even different years.

The idea of a specific print run is not necessary and should be thrown out the window.

Here’s a fun sample of printing scrap from 1948 Bowman from my collection.

The base card has a gray background which tells you that it is hand cut and out the back door for 1948 Basketball.

The second photo shows the fiasco on the reverse. As the third photo shows, the printer used this sheet for a bit.

The first layer is the reverse for the base card of #68 Lee Knorek 1948 Bowman. Next layer is the front of the #5 Margaret Field card from the 1948 Bowman Movie Stars series. Final layer is a really late run at the factory, the reverse of case no 5, $2,000,000 of stolen securities from the 1949 Bowman America Salutes The FBI - Heroes of the Law.

Scrap paper is scrap paper at the factory.

[JustinD]

For example this is some of my scrap from a single series. More common, but multiple scrap sheets are not crazy uncommon when you look every day like me. However, I admit my weird tendencies, lol.

( sorry I couldn’t get the photo right side up on my iPad)

[Bestdj777]

The miscut Jackie Robinson with a sliver of Mantle showing brought $71K. I’d imagine prices on yours would be really strong since you’ve got a full back. Probably not the same range but definitely would get a strong return. I wouldn’t be surprised if it brought 5 figures.

[Cliff Bowman]

This took some work and a LOT of eye straining, but here is the breakdown of each card:
Ralph Branca has 274 Branca and inverted 327 Archie Wilson printed on the back.
Harry Brecheen has 263 Brecheen and inverted 395 Jake Pitler printed on the back.
Sid Gordon has 267 Gordon and inverted 344 Ewell Blackwell printed on the back.
Bob Addis has 262 Virgil Trucks printed over 337 Jim Hearn on the back, 259 Addis is not on the back.
Phil Cavarretta has 286 Joe DeMaestri printed over 363 Dick Rozek on the back, 295 Cavarretta is not on the back.
Murry Dickson has 266 Dickson and inverted 345 Sammy White printed on the back.
Gil Coan has 290 Joe Astroth printed over 367 Bob Thorpe on the back, 291 Coan is not on the back.
Luis Aloma has 273 Erv Palica printed over 385 Herman Franks on the back, 386 Ed Yuhas is partially on the back, 308 Aloma is not on the back.
Hank Arft has 284 Arft and inverted 399 Jim Fridley printed on the back.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

The miscut Jackie Robinson with a sliver of Mantle showing brought $71K. I’d imagine prices on yours would be really strong since you’ve got a full back. Probably not the same range but definitely would get a strong return. I wouldn’t be surprised if it brought 5 figures.

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Hard to say what happens. I have a pretty good wrong back that I tried to consign a year ago and couldn't get any bites:

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

For example this is some of my scrap from a single series. More common, but multiple scrap sheets are not crazy uncommon when you look every day like me. However, I admit my weird tendencies, lol.

( sorry I couldn’t get the photo right side up on my iPad)

Awesome print offset Mickey Mantle. The big print offsets are some of my favorite cards.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

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Hard to say what happens. I have a pretty good wrong back that I tried to consign a year ago and couldn't get any bites:

Great card. I’m surprised a DiMaggio fan didn’t go for it. For this one, being that it is Mantle, his faux rookie card, and his complete 52 Topps are basically unobtainable for most, I’d still expect it would bring ridiculous money, although likely not near the one I mentioned.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Awesome print offset Mickey Mantle. The big print offsets are some of my favorite cards.

Mine also, I definitely like the Aaron I have seen you post.

I have hundreds and of course, the more severe the better. As an art collector as well, there just is that sweet spot like the Mantle shows in which it just starts hitting the Warhol vibes and I just love it.

[Exhibitman]

I also see value in severe miscuts




I always look for them at shows. Most dealers consider them junk so they sell for a fraction of what the card would sell for in 'normal' state.

Here are a few spiritual brothers to the 1964 Mantle:





I actually pulled one from a pack as a kid and I was pissed. Now I'd be intrigued.