Were the T210's actually a 1910 issue or were they issued in 1911?

[Pat R]

I don't know that much about the T210's, are all the series presumed to have been issued in 1910 because this seems to indicate at least some of them were issued in 1911.

This newspaper article is longer but I just clipped this part referring to the T210's.

Ashville Gazette June 7 1911

Asheville_Gazette_News_Wed__Jun_7__1911_.jpg

[brianp-beme]

A little searching and I came up with Jimmy Sharp's baseball career (seen below) on the internet. Due to the fact that it appears he spent the 2nd half of the 1910 season on the Wilson team (instead of Lynchburg, the team identified on his T210-2 card) and 1911 on Greenville, leads one to believe that the The T210 2nd series was printed in 1910, and that perhaps the newspaper article was just stating Jimmy's claim to fame (that he was included in the Old Mill set from the previous year).

Brian


Jimmy Sharp
James Sharp
Born: 0
Primary Position: Second base
All Position(s) Played: 3B
Bats:
Throws:
Height:
Weight:
Career: 1908-1921
Jimmy Sharp compiled a career batting average of .241 with 7 home runs and 0 RBI in his 641-game career with the Wilmington Sailors, New Bern, Wilson Tobacconists, Lynchburg Shoemakers, Greenville Spinners, Asheville Moonshiners, Savannah Indians, Columbia Comers, Wilmington Chicks, Hagerstown Blues, Petersburg Goobers, Wilson Bugs, Newport News Shipbuilders and Ludington Mariners. He began playing during the 1908 season and last took the field during the 1921 campaign.




Batting:

Year Level Lg Team GP PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB DP HBP SH SF IBB

1909 D ECAR Wilmington Sailors 87 302 302 55 .182 .182 .182 .364 55
1910 C VIRL4 Lynchburg Shoemakers 58 197 197 38 3 3 0 .193 .193 .239 .431 47
1910 D ECAR Wilson Tobacconists 33 98 98 22 1 0 0 .224 .224 .235 .459 23
1911 D NCSL1 Greenville Spinners 110 404 404 104 19 6 .257 .257 .334 .592 135
1912 D APPY1 Asheville Moonshiners 40 156 156 38 2 0 2 .244 .244 .295 .538 46
1912 C SALL2 (+) Columbia Comers 66 224 224 53 8 3 0 .237 .237 .299 .536 67
1912 C SALL2 (+) Savannah Indians 66 224 224 53 8 3 0 .237 .237 .299 .536 67
1913 B TRIS1 Wilmington Chicks 112 410 384 43 105 22 .273 .273 .273 .547 105 26
1914 B TRIS1 Wilmington Chicks 82 397 386 48 88 13 .228 .228 .228 .456 88 11
1915 D BLRI Hagerstown Blues 20 74 71 5 17 0 0 0 2 .239 .239 .239 .479 17 3
1921 B CENL4 Ludington Mariners 99 367 367 102 18 3 5 .278 .278 .384 .662 141

Totals 641 2405 2365 96 569 43 12 7 0 37 0 0 0 .241 .241 .278 .518 657 0 0 40 0 0

[brianp-beme]

And by the way, great team nicknames for the teams he played for...Shoemakers, Tobacconists, Spinners, Moonshiners, Comers, Goobers and Chicks!

Brian (added card image, not mine but Dean's...and by the way it is an 'Actual Image')

[nolemmings]

I think you've got the wrong Sharp, Brian. Lee Sharp played for Goldsboro of the Eastern Carolina League in 1910, and the Asheville Moonshiners of the Appalachian League in 1911. Since "erstwhile" means former, the article seems to be referencing last year's team for Sharp, i.e., the one from 1910, so I agree with you that the writer was merely stating the subject's prior appearance in the T210 set.



EDITED TO ADD: Lee Sharpe (with an "e") is the player discussed, at least that's how he appears in Baseball-reference.com, despite the fact that the article and the card spell his name differently.

[brianp-beme]

I stand corrected Todd. I just assumed one Sharp baseball player was all the Southeast could handle. At least everyone can see a couple of Sharp T210 cards.

Brian (not Sharp, but Dull)

added: now that I look at his record, it appears that the 2nd team he appeared for in 1910 was Wilson, also in the Eastern Carolina League. So either way, one of us is correct, and the T210 cards seem to have been printed in 1910. The article is from an Asheville paper, so it makes Todd's Sharpe more likely.

[Pat R]

I'm not suggesting that they were definitely released in 1911 but I think it's something to look into the article does say appears on not appeared. Did the 1910 date come from the teams that some of the players played on?

It wasn't like they took the pictures and a month later they were in the cigarette packs. A lot of work had to be done before they were distributed in the packs.

Earlier this year I posted this clip from March 14 1910 and they're just talking about taking the pictures of the Carolina players so the pictures are most likely from 1910 but how long before they made it into the packs? They were right in the middle of printing the T206's at the time they were talking about the T210's.

Charlotte_Daily_Observer_Mon__Mar_14__1910_.jpg

[nolemmings]

Patrick, I invite you to stay on the hunt, and as someone suggested these could have been in the stores for awhile (I confess I do not know the shelf life of smokes, now or then). Still, it seems very unlikely to me that they would make a formal announcement in March of 1910 that the cards were coming if they did not expect them to get distributed for another year.

[jason.1969]

Another possibility is the card(s) came out in 1910 but were still on shelves, either in some places or everywhere, in 1911.


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