Possible new tax law?

[yanks12025]

This was posted over on blowout. Haven't seen it posted here, unless I missed it.

But it looks like a new tax law could be coming where the ebay 20k and 200 transactions goes away and the new limit will now be anything over $600..

* Also you should pay taxes no matter what whether you get a 1099 or not.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-losers-473902

[Schlesinj]

From article "For those in the sharing economy, the issue is provisions that would dramatically reduce the threshold at which companies like eBay, GrubHub, Doordash and others would have to report to the IRS the earnings of people who use their platforms to make money. The users would also have to be given the information.

Currently, that’s only necessary when someone earns more than $20,000 through at least 200 transactions. Democrats would drop that to anyone earning more than $600, regardless of the number of transactions.

That’s projected to generate a lot of money — $8.4 billion over the next decade, according to an official forecast — because people are more likely to pay taxes on their earnings when they know someone else is telling the IRS how much they made."

[rats60]

I don't see what the issue is. If you are reporting sales/profits and paying tax, this is irrelevant. Only those that are not paying the tax that they should are going to be upset.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by rats60

I don't see what the issue is. If you are reporting sales/profits and paying tax, this is irrelevant. Only those that are not paying the tax that they should are going to be upset.

Exactly

[Republicaninmass]

I do report all, and had over the $ amount but "only" 197 transcations last year!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by rats60

I don't see what the issue is. If you are reporting sales/profits and paying tax, this is irrelevant. Only those that are not paying the tax that they should are going to be upset.

Precisely! The doomsayers are just a bunch of tax cheats unhappy that they may not be able to free-ride on the rest of us anymore. Well on behalf of everyone who pays their taxes:



BTW, the $600 mark isn't chosen at random. It is already used as a floor for things like casual labor taxation.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Precisely! The doomsayers are just a bunch of tax cheats unhappy that they may not be able to free-ride on the rest of us anymore. Well on behalf of everyone who pays their taxes:



BTW, the $600 mark isn't chosen at random. It is already used as a floor for things like casual labor taxation.

MA changed to the $600 mark couple years back for things like ebay and stuff..

Just figured some members here would like to know about a possible change so they can keep better records of purchases and sales going forward.

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Precisely! The doomsayers are just a bunch of tax cheats unhappy that they may not be able to free-ride on the rest of us anymore. Well on behalf of everyone who pays their taxes:



BTW, the $600 mark isn't chosen at random. It is already used as a floor for things like casual labor taxation.

Or, just maybe, some of us are way past tired for getting hit up again for more taxes. You ever think of that? I pay more than my fair share of taxes but am sick and tired of politicians of finding new ways to hit us up for more.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

Or, just maybe, some of us are way past tired for getting hit up again for more taxes. You ever think of that? I pay more than my fair share of taxes but am sick and tired of politicians of finding new ways to hit us up for more.

I agree get ready for more they’re only going up.

Proceed with crying towel and wet floor signs about political references this is about baseball cards lol

Either way irregardless all sales had to be reported before anyways

[Exhibitman]

IT'S NOT MORE TAXES: IT IS THE SAME TAXES YOU ARE ALREADY OBLIGATED TO PAY UNDER CURRENT LAW!

Forgive me for shouting but this sort of false statement is so frustrating for me to read that it makes me see red. A change to a reporting threshold does not impose new taxes. You won't pay one red cent in taxes more than you already owe--but for some people it means that cheating on their taxes gets much harder because the IRS will be able to check the data you submit in your tax return against what eBay reports to it. That's it.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

BTW, the $600 mark isn't chosen at random. It is already used as a floor for things like casual labor taxation.

Exactly.

If I hire somebody to help clean my house, or mow my lawn, I have to report what I pay them to the IRS as soon as that amount hits $600 during a calendar year.

Nobody actually does it, but technically that has been the law for a long time. It has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans and Trumpers and non Trumpers.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

Or, just maybe, some of us are way past tired for getting hit up again for more taxes. You ever think of that? I pay more than my fair share of taxes but am sick and tired of politicians of finding new ways to hit us up for more.

You're not getting hit up again for more, you are getting hit up again for those that you already owe but evidently have not been paying.

Doug "pay your damn taxes and shut up about it" Goodman

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

MA changed to the $600 mark couple years back for things like ebay and stuff..

Just figured some members here would like to know about a possible change so they can keep better records of purchases and sales going forward.

MA has been $600 for as far back as (at least) the year 2000. That's the tear that a member of the MA Tax Commissioner's office sat in my office for 7 hours at the Warped tour show so that they could make sure that the 100 or so bands I was paying to play on the Warped tour that day were all compliant with their filings of MA state tax. Even though only the Bosstones and the Dropkick Murphy's were the only MA residents.

It's only in the last few years that they have realized that ebay sales were a similar "missed" tax stream, due to people not filing on their own, so they have started to crack down.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

... Democrats would drop that to anyone earning more than $600, regardless of the number of transactions.

That’s projected to generate a lot of money — $8.4 billion over the next decade, according to an official forecast — because people are more likely to pay taxes on their earnings when they know someone else is telling the IRS how much they made."

Another way to state it would be "Democrats would have us follow the laws that are already on the books and stop everyone whether Democrat, Republican or other with failing to report income on which $8.4 billion in tax is due."

[nat]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

the Dropkick Murphy's

I was waiting for a flight at Logan one day a few years ago, and was treated to a surprise DM's concert. They had rigged up their gear and were playing right there in the terminal.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by nat

I was waiting for a flight at Logan one day a few years ago, and was treated to a surprise DM's concert. They had rigged up their gear and were playing right there in the terminal.

If you had $601 of fun listening to them please pay your "enjoyment tax" as you exit to the left.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by nat

I was waiting for a flight at Logan one day a few years ago, and was treated to a surprise DM's concert. They had rigged up their gear and were playing right there in the terminal.

Nice.

What a great band, and a really good bunch of guys.

[Fred]

So now it looks like this whole free-ride thing is coming to a close with ebay. I haven't sold a thing on fleabay for over a decade so I have no clue what it's been like. Even when I did sell things, I didn't sell much.


BUYERS TAXES
Ebay adds the local tax to the final sale (sans shipping). My local tax rate sucks, it's 8.75%. It sucks but the assumption is the correct local tax will go to the city I live in (well, at least that's the assumption). If a seller wants to pay the going rate/price for a card, do they include the sales tax in their consideration to buy the card? You know the buyer will always include the tax in the total cost of the card.


SELLER TAXES
Maybe that's why sellers seem to have crazy BIN prices. Perhaps those sellers have been paying their taxes all along and included their taxes as a cost of doing business. Just think, by the time a seller pays the fleabay fees and income taxes, that could account for 25% or more of the sale price.

So, is a seller supposed to absorb the loss and sell the goods for the going rate or does the seller add another 25% to the final sale price to cover all the fees and taxes? I figure if you're a seller you're going to want to collect the going rate for the card (after the fees and taxes have been paid out).


Now - do I give a crap. Not really. I figure I'll pay what I want for a card. Regarding sellers - well, time to belly up to the bar and pay the taxes on the business that allows you to receive income.

Hey Leon, when are does the BST start instituting the sales tax and income tax collections?

[hammertime]

I think it's great. Let's flood the IRS with 1099s, they can't audit us all!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Fred

...So, is a seller supposed to absorb the loss and sell the goods for the going rate or does the seller add another 25% to the final sale price to cover all the fees and taxes?...

The seller is supposed to do what has always been done and factor in expenses when selling an item.

(cost of card) + (costs to sell) + (profit wanted) = selling price

Pretty simple.

Obviously, if you bought a Steve Sax rookie card for $20 the specifics of your selling price equation may have to change a bit to :

(cost of card) + (costs to sell) - (loss willing to accept) = selling price

Doug "I tend to use the second equation" Goodman

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by hammertime

I think it's great. Let's flood the IRS with 1099s, they can't audit us all!

Spoken like a true tax cheat

[Tyruscobb]

I’m not going to bash anyone for his/her tax affairs. That is between that person and federal, state, and local governments. I know each state has different laws, but how many sellers on this site’s b/s/t section are collecting and properly paying sale’s taxes?

[todeen]

This thread has given me a new faith in humanity.

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[MooseDog]

It's really simple, run and treat your eBay sales as a business. The (legal) deductions available to one running a business will mitigate any tax issues you might have otherwise. Just a sample of expense deductions:

Postage (in and out)
eBay Fees
PayPal Fees
Taxes (some)
Accounting/bookkeeping/legal fees
Mileage (with some limitations)
Office Supplies (everything from envelopes to ink for the printer)
Subscriptions (services like Worthpoint and VCP)

That's just a start.

[samosa4u]

I want to tell you folks a story here about something that happened in Canada a few years ago. Now, I can't remember all the details, but it goes something like this: the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) wanted Paypal to hand over all the information on their Canadian users. The reason for this was obvious: lots of Canadians were making big Paypal sales and not reporting it. I think Paypal at first refused to hand anything over, but then I believe the CRA went to the Federal Court and the judge gave Paypal two options: either cooperate with the CRA or get out of the country. Paypal had no choice here but to hand everything over. I'm pretty sure THOUSANDS of Canadians got into BIG trouble! Now, I don't think police officers kicked their doors down and arrested them or anything like that, however, they did have to pay their taxes AND interest AND massive fines!

[Mike D.]

This will be a significant expense for the eBays and Ubers of the world. I hope they remember to claim that on their taxes.

Less funny is that the added expense will be passed on to customers.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I’m not going to bash anyone for his/her tax affairs. That is between that person and federal, state, and local governments. I know each state has different laws, but how many sellers on this site’s b/s/t section are collecting and properly paying sale’s taxes?

I am, and I pay sales tax and Federal and State income taxes on my sales at card shows, and I pay the use tax for my out of state purchases when tax is not collected.

Don't assume that everyone is crooked.

[BCauley]

I'm all for no Joe U.S. Citizen paying any taxes until all elected officials have theirs paid in full.

[commishbob]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

IT'S NOT MORE TAXES: IT IS THE SAME TAXES YOU ARE ALREADY OBLIGATED TO PAY UNDER CURRENT LAW!

Forgive me for shouting but this sort of false statement is so frustrating for me to read that it makes me see red. A change to a reporting threshold does not impose new taxes. You won't pay one red cent in taxes more than you already owe--but for some people it means that cheating on their taxes gets much harder because the IRS will be able to check the data you submit in your tax return against what eBay reports to it. That's it.

Amen. Not sure how it gets twisted.

[Rich Klein]

I will also point out that Brick and Mortar stores (of all types) have complained about this disadvantage and the supreme court decision helped to level that field as well. So for 99 percent of the stores in all fields, this does level the field a bit.

Regards
Rich

[swarmee]

As I posted in the thread on Blowout, I am shocked that it is only expected to gain approx $1B a year in new income to the Federal coffers. Compare that to the $4 thousand billion dollars approved in stimulus packages in the last year...

I have to think that closing the auction house reporting loophole will be next.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by commishbob

Amen. Not sure how it gets twisted.

Hahaha.

We all know.

[insidethewrapper]

It's easy to see the cheats, they request "paypal friends and family" to avoid paying fees which should be paid for the purchae of merchandise.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

It's easy to see the cheats, they request "paypal friends and family" to avoid taxes etc. If I buy merchandise I don't pay with " F & F".

No, that’s to avoid the 3%+ in PayPal transaction fees. Has nothing to do with taxes. And to my chagrin, the last time I let a Net54 buyer pay with regular PayPal, he requested a refund when the card wasn’t to his satisfaction. No problem I think. I am a man of my word and my reputation is far more important than money. Well, it’s a problem when I don’t get refunded the 3% PayPal fee on the sale of those goods. Never again.

Carry on.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

No, that’s to avoid the 3%+ in PayPal transaction fees. Has nothing to do with taxes. And to my chagrin, the last time I let a Net54 buyer pay with regular PayPal, he requested a refund when the card wasn’t to his satisfaction. No problem I think. I am a man of my word and my reputation is far more important than money. Well, it’s a problem when I don’t get refunded the 3% PayPal fee on the sale of those goods. Never again.

Carry on.

That sucks, the guy could have easily emailed you to say he wanted a refund.

Doug "My middle name is Richard, so trust me when I tell you that guy was a..." Goodman

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Either way irregardless all sales had to be reported before anyways

irregardless is not an actual word......

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

That sucks, the guy could have easily emailed you to say he wanted a refund.

Doug "My middle name is Richard, so trust me when I tell you that guy was a..." Goodman

To clarify, I simply won’t sell on Net54 using PayPal goods again. PayPal f/f is fine. And the guy asking for the refund did everything right. I thought I did everything right. PayPal just wouldn’t refund the PayPal fees from using goods when I made the refund. I was dumbfounded.

[orioles70]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

irregardless is not an actual word......

Irregardless of what you believe...irregardless is a word

In both Merriam-Webster and Oxford dictionaries...also allowed in Scrabble

https://www.merriam-webster.com

irregardless

*adverb

ir·​re·​gard·​less*|*\*ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs**\

Definition of*irregardless

nonstandard

:*REGARDLESSI told them that*irregardless*of what you read in books, they's some members of the theatrical profession that occasionally visits the place where they sleep.— Ring Lardner

Frequently Asked Questions About*irregardless

Is*irregardless*a word?

Yes. It may not be a word that you like, or a word that you would use in a term paper, but*irregardless*certainly is a word. It has been in use for well over 200 years, employed by a large number of people across a wide geographic range and with a consistent meaning. That is why we, and well-nigh every other dictionary of modern English, define this word. Remember that a definition is not an endorsement of a word’s use.

Does*irregardless*mean the same thing as*regardless?

Yes. We define*irregardless*as "regardless." Many people find*irregardless*to be a nonsensical word, as the*ir- prefix usually functions to indicate negation; however, in this case it appears to function as an intensifier. Similar*ir- words, while rare, do exist in English, including*irremediless*("remediless"),*irresistless*("resistless") and*irrelentlessly*("relentlessly).

Is*irregardless*slang?

We label*irregardless*as “nonstandard” rather than “slang.” When a word is*nonstandard*it means it is “not conforming in pronunciation, grammatical construction, idiom, or word choice to the usage generally characteristic of educated native speakers of a language.”*Irregardless*is a long way from winning general acceptance as a standard English word. For that reason, it is best to use*regardless*instead.

First Known Use of*irregardless

1795, in the meaning defined*above

History and Etymology for*irregardless

probably blend of*irrespective*and*regardless



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[Leon]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

To clarify, I simply won’t sell on Net54 using PayPal goods again. PayPal f/f is fine. And the guy asking for the refund did everything right. I thought I did everything right. PayPal just wouldn’t refund the PayPal fees from using goods when I made the refund. I was dumbfounded.

Make sure you know your trading partner well.

[Gusturd]

All these tax loving, Gov't worshippers responding are approaching it from the business angle. I assume many of them sell cards for a living. That's fine. They should pay their taxes. What about the collector?

What this does is it takes something that was a fun hobby and turns it into a business for everyone. I buy and sell cards all the time. Sometimes I'll buy a card and then turn around and sell it a few months later because my interests change, I find an upgrade or I just want the money for something else. Many different reasons. How many collectors have an accountant to keep track of their baseball card purchases?

[notfast]

Glad to see everyone here is on the up and up. I’m sure that card you sold to your buddy for a $100 bill gets reported 100% of the time.

I’m sure you don’t go over the speed limit either.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by notfast

Glad to see everyone here is on the up and up. I’m sure that card you sold to your buddy for a $100 bill gets reported 100% of the time.

I’m sure you don’t go over the speed limit either.

We all have our problems.

To me this is more about the guys doing bulk submissions to grading companies, having a eBay store selling cards, and using cards to make cash who DO NOT pay taxes or even have a business license. I know those that do it make nice little excuses on why it is OK. In reality they are screwing over every dealer who pays taxes and every citizen by not paying their share while using the services they provide.

[Johnny630]

Here is a novel thought, Personally I could give 2 Sh&Ts what anyone else does in regards to taxes when it comes to selling, buying, or trading their baseball cards. It's not my business. Worrying about things I have zero control over I tend to avoid, it's not productive or good for me to worry about things I have no control over.

[Oscar_Stanage]

I think the tax hawks on here makes their posts as a CYA. Some posts have expressed paranoia about the IRS following a cyber trail. So they want to look aligned with the Gestapo to throw them off the path.
I doubt any collector pays taxes on sales they do. And further doubt that they lose an iota of sleep over it.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by orioles70

Irregardless of what you believe...irregardless is a word

In both Merriam-Webster and Oxford dictionaries...also allowed in Scrabble

https://www.merriam-webster.com

irregardless

*adverb

ir·​re·​gard·​less*|*\*ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs**\

Definition of*irregardless

nonstandard

:*REGARDLESSI told them that*irregardless*of what you read in books, they's some members of the theatrical profession that occasionally visits the place where they sleep.— Ring Lardner

Frequently Asked Questions About*irregardless

Is*irregardless*a word?

Yes. It may not be a word that you like, or a word that you would use in a term paper, but*irregardless*certainly is a word. It has been in use for well over 200 years, employed by a large number of people across a wide geographic range and with a consistent meaning. That is why we, and well-nigh every other dictionary of modern English, define this word. Remember that a definition is not an endorsement of a word’s use.

Does*irregardless*mean the same thing as*regardless?

Yes. We define*irregardless*as "regardless." Many people find*irregardless*to be a nonsensical word, as the*ir- prefix usually functions to indicate negation; however, in this case it appears to function as an intensifier. Similar*ir- words, while rare, do exist in English, including*irremediless*("remediless"),*irresistless*("resistless") and*irrelentlessly*("relentlessly).

Is*irregardless*slang?

We label*irregardless*as “nonstandard” rather than “slang.” When a word is*nonstandard*it means it is “not conforming in pronunciation, grammatical construction, idiom, or word choice to the usage generally characteristic of educated native speakers of a language.”*Irregardless*is a long way from winning general acceptance as a standard English word. For that reason, it is best to use*regardless*instead.

First Known Use of*irregardless

1795, in the meaning defined*above

History and Etymology for*irregardless

probably blend of*irrespective*and*regardless



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Just post the most relevant part next time...

"*Irregardless* is a long way from winning general acceptance as a standard English word. For that reason, it is best to use *regardless* instead."

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Just post the most relevant part next time...

"*Irregardless* is a long way from winning general acceptance as a standard English word. For that reason, it is best to use *regardless* instead."

Somebody skipped Change Management training.

[OldSchoolBaseball]

Yes, I agree pay your taxes on your net earnings.

What I have never understood is why something needs to be taxed more than once (sales tax). If its new, yes, tax it initially. But when its resold and resold and resold again (like cards on ebay), sales tax should be excluded because that item was already taxed. This is always a complaint of antique store owners.

sales tax rant....sorry

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolBaseball

Yes, I agree pay your taxes on your net earnings.

What I have never understood is why something needs to be taxed more than once (sales tax). If its new, yes, tax it initially. But when its resold and resold and resold again (like cards on ebay), sales tax should be excluded because that item was already taxed. This is always a complaint of antique store owners.

sales tax rant....sorry

I've thought the same thing about buying a used car, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

[Gusturd]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I've thought the same thing about buying a used car, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

A used car doesn't get sold nearly as often as a baseball card. How many 1909 used cars are still changing hands?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Gusturd

A used car doesn't get sold nearly as often as a baseball card. How many 1909 used cars are still changing hands?

So are you saying a used car dealership should pay taxes because those cars are only sold once or twice? But a card reseller shouldn't because cards are resold often??

Just trying to make sense of your post.