Puzzled

[Huck]

I am puzzled as to why a collector would submit a card for PSA autograph authentication when the card is already certified. Certifying the certifier?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stan-Musial...frcectupt=true

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Go back and read the thread on Derek Jeter forgeries and the counterfeit auto cards that are flooding into the market.

Anything Fleer is suspect because any blanks were sold in the bankruptcy sale.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Go back and read the thread on Derek Jeter forgeries and the counterfeit auto cards that are flooding into the market.

Anything Fleer is suspect because any blanks were sold in the bankruptcy sale.

Ah, will do. Thanks!

[Lordstan]

The reason is not authenticity. The reason is money. Many dealers get everything certed and/or slabbed because they feel the items will either sell more quickly or for more money. period

[Huck]

The Musial card listed above is unusual in that Musial singed in blue. I have only seen signatures in black, over the 19 years since the cards were released. To some collectors a blue vs black ink is a variation (Concepcion signed in red and black in the set). So, someone purchased unsigned stock or made a replica and then had the card signed by Musial in blue ink which PSA certified? If PSA or Beckett know the card is fake they should reject the card. For the Musial above PSA states 2000 Fleer Greats and is authenticating the autograph. So, is the card official???

Oh, does this make things interesting.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

You definitely found something here. I did a quick look at the cards available on eBay. Here is a proper 2000 Auto
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That is a Stan sig from 2000 when he centered his name in the space and wrote legibly. These below look like they are from much later. Probably the last couple years of his life.
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I would think these are either reprinted cards or blanks from the bankruptcy but I find it hard to believe they are from the batch Stan signed in 2000. So the cards are slabbed to say that the autograph is real but it is not necessarily the card inserted in 2000 Greats. If that’s the case the 2000 Greats Stan Cards have to be devalued to a fraction of what they were.

Originally Posted by biohazard

The Musial card listed above is unusual in that Musial singed in blue. I have only seen signatures in black, over the 19 years since the cards were released. To some collectors a blue vs black ink is a variation (Concepcion signed in red and black in the set). So, someone purchased unsigned stock or made a replica and then had the card signed by Musial in blue ink which PSA certified? If PSA or Beckett know the card is fake they should reject the card. For the Musial above PSA states 2000 Fleer Greats and is authenticating the autograph. So, is the card official???

Oh, does this make things interesting.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by biohazard

I am puzzled as to why a collector would submit a card for PSA autograph authentication when the card is already certified. Certifying the certifier?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stan-Musial...frcectupt=true

Get a picture of the back of card. Its possible that it is a base card from that set that was signer... though I thought base cards had a rust colored border...