Venus and Serena

[Peter_Spaeth]

They play tonight. They first played each other in a tournament in 1998. IMO it's remarkable. Venus is in something like her 25th year of tournament tennis.

[AGuinness]

That is amazing. I don’t follow tennis, just a couple sports, but you seem to have at least a toe in most sports out there, Peter. Where do these two athletes rank in their generation, across the spectrum of sports?


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

That is amazing. I don’t follow tennis, just a couple sports, but you seem to have at least a toe in most sports out there, Peter. Where do these two athletes rank in their generation, across the spectrum of sports?


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Serena is arguably the greatest female athlete of all time, and her dominance in women's tennis is the equivalent of any male's dominance of his sport, in my opinion. Venus is very good and has remarkable longevity, but she is not in the same league as Serena. She might, though, still be top ten all time in women's tennis.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Serena is arguably the greatest female athlete of all time, and her dominance in women's tennis is the equivalent of any male's dominance of his sport, in my opinion. Venus is very good and has remarkable longevity, but she is not in the same league as Serena. She might, though, still be top ten all time in women's tennis.

We've been lucky to see IMO, the best Womens and Mens players ever at the same time, Serena and Roger Federer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim65

We've been lucky to see IMO, the best Womens and Mens players ever at the same time, Serena and Roger Federer.

And Nadal and Djokovic as well, IMO.

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Serena is arguably the greatest female athlete of all time, and her dominance in women's tennis is the equivalent of any male's dominance of his sport, in my opinion. Venus is very good and has remarkable longevity, but she is not in the same league as Serena. She might, though, still be top ten all time in women's tennis.

Those are some seriously good genes (not to mention work ethic, etc. to put it all together).


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[KMayUSA6060]

It would be more incredible if Serena (most likely, in my opinion) wouldn't have taken some sort of HGH.

Venus is the more incredible story in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

It would be more incredible if Serena (most likely, in my opinion) wouldn't have taken some sort of HGH.

Venus is the more incredible story in my opinion.

People have accused Venus too.

Little sister won easily tonight, no surprise.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Woman's sports for some reason allow for women of an advanced age to still dominate more than men in men's sports.....imo..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Woman's sports for some reason allow for women of an advanced age to still dominate more than men in men's sports.....imo..

Funny I think the opposite is true -- in swimming and gymnastics and figure skating, for example, teenage girls usually dominate.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Yeah I'm with Pete on this one. Name all the Dominant women's tennis players over 32. I;m pretty sure the list is Serena. I was thinking Navratilova, but she only won one major after 32.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

People have accused Venus too.

Little sister won easily tonight, no surprise.

They have, but I think it's a weaker accusation. Look at her physical progression vs. Serena's. Night and day. If anything, Venus took some sort of HGH/steroid to combat the medical condition(s) she's dealt with.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Funny I think the opposite is true -- in swimming and gymnastics and figure skating, for example, teenage girls usually dominate.

Definitely agree. Behind Serena, there is an incredible amount of parity in women's tennis because the next crop of younger girls keep coming year after year. Sloane Stephens because the most recent up-and-comer that I can think of on the American side, with other, younger international players having an equal amount if not more success.

Women's golf has even had a lot of parody.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

parity though.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Yeah I'm with Pete on this one. Name all the Dominant women's tennis players over 32. I;m pretty sure the list is Serena. I was thinking Navratilova, but she only won one major after 32.

And in tennis, on the men's side you have Federer still winning majors at 37. Jake, no clue what you are talking about here. What sports did you have in mind exactly where women are better at an older age?

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

parity though.

Potato, potato. Fixed it. Haha.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Fixed it. Haha.

So close...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Halfway there.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And in tennis, on the men's side you have Federer still winning majors at 37. Jake, no clue what you are talking about here. What sports did you have in mind exactly where women are better at an older age?

Competitive Cooking?

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Competitive Cooking?

THANK YOU!

My 25YO son keeps trying to tell me that Competion BBQ us not a sport.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And in tennis, on the men's side you have Federer still winning majors at 37. Jake, no clue what you are talking about here. What sports did you have in mind exactly where women are better at an older age?

I would offer the following

Bridge
Mahjong

and as a footnote I once cared for a patient who competed and won the national championship in tennis in the over 75 age bracket. A younger chick took her title two years later when my patient was 77.

And yes, three years later she claimed the championship again in the over 80 age bracket. (True Story)

I guess we should wait 40 years before writing off Venus, Serena and Federerer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It seems you were successful in removing her splinter.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems you were successful in removing her splinter.

‘‘Twas indeed splendid”