Walden's monthly 1894/ info?

[bgar3]

I recently acquired the first 4 issues (only ones?) of Walden's monthly from 1894. I was attracted to them by the fact it was written and edited by Henry Chadwick, and the baseball articles are primarily about very early baseball, i.e. 1850's and the 1869-70 red stockings. It covers all sports with some very nice early football and reference to early basketball among others, but most of the coverage is baseball. The illustration I have attached below I do not remember seeing before, and it notes it is based upon a 1858 photo, which I also had not seen before that I can recall.
My question is does anyone have any information on this publication? The only references I could find are contemporary notices of publication and an intriguing reference to it in a letter from Chadwick to Doc Adams sending him the 1894 issues. (August 16, 1898).
If anyone knows anything about Walden's, or has other issues I would love to hear about it. It was not mentioned in the modern histories I have, although the Adams letter is referenced frequently.
I am also researching other areas of this and am still reading the articles, so may add to this from time to time.
Thank you.
Sorry photo did not attach, I will try to add it later.

[bgar3]

Concerning the illustration, I should have said it depicts an 1858 game at Gotham field, but is "after" an 1860 photo. Will attach photo soon, I hope. Sorry.

[bgar3]

Some photos, including the Gotham illustration, one I believe is meant to be George Wright, And a couple sample pages about 1850's games. Hope they come out

[vintagesportscollector]

I don't have any further information, but that is very cool. Thanks for sharing Bruce.

[GaryPassamonte]

The "George Wright" Boston image was included in a twelve panel insert in an 1875 baseball instructional booklet. Two of the twelve photographs were described as looking more like Wright's teammate Ross Barnes. The image you have here is one of the two that could possibly be Ross Barnes. This information comes from the 1984 SABR National Pastime publication on page 22.

[bgar3]

Thanks Gary, I continue to hope that I will find that 1875 book some day. I had not made that connection since this is not a photo, but you are the Barnes expert. This particular article does have a photo of Wright on the next page and does pertain to the Spalding tour of England.
Joe, I am sending you a photo of the article on the English baseball games from1898 that are covered in one issue. Hope it pertains to your stuff.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Thanks Gary, I continue to hope that I will find that 1875 book some day. I had not made that connection since this is not a photo, but you are the Barnes expert. This particular article does have a photo of Wright on the next page and does pertain to the Spalding tour of England.
Joe, I am sending you a photo of the article on the English baseball games from1898 that are covered in one issue. Hope it pertains to your stuff.

Thanks Bruce! The 1894 Walden monthly article that you sent me is great. It describes the Thespians' 1983 British championship game at Hyde Farm, Balham.

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This is a picture of that 1893 Thespians team. (btw - in British "tie" means game or one game that is part of a competition.)

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[bgar3]

The upside down illustration I posted above has a notation in the corner which indicates it is after a photo from 1860. See image below. Does anyone know what photo that might be?

[vintagesportscollector]

interesting...humm..the illustration is a well know image. It is the Currier & Ives work entitled "The American National Game of Baseball"...google the american national game of baseball and you will see many versions.

"The most famous, and the most sought-after baseball print, is the Currier & Ives print "The American National Game of Baseball. The Grand Match for the Championship at the Elysian Fields, Hoboken, N.J." Issued in 1866 shortly after the Civil War, this is a terrific, large folio print showing a championship game in 1865, between the Mutual Club of Manhattan and the Atlantic Club of Brooklyn. "

The Currier Ives lithograph is described as 1865 game, yet your Walden illustration says 1858.

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[vintagesportscollector]

both images side-by-side

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[vintagesportscollector]

Bruce - I came across this interesting blog which seems to explain it..fascinating read. The image captured is actually a game in 1860.

https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/unraveli...y-b443c0541c96

"Further snooping has revealed some truly startling information about the game’s most celebrated and valuable image: the 1866 Currier & Ives lithograph “American National Game of Base Ball: Grand Match for the Championship at the Elysian Fields, Hoboken, N.J.” Long believed to depict the 1865 match between the Atlantic of Brooklyn and the Mutual of New York, it has turned out be something else entirely: a fantasy game, one that the baseball world desired but that never was played."

"An August 1, 1860 ad by a book seller in the Buffalo Daily Courier of August 1, 1860 mentioned that pictures of the recent match between the Atlantic and Excelsior (played on July 19) appeared in the current edition of Demorest’s New-York Illustrated News, which would have been the issue of July 29 [actually it was August 4]."

While I don't think there was a photograph of the 1860 game, the likenesses of the players in the illustration are taken from actual photographs of the teams depicted.

[bgar3]

Joe, thanks for the reference and especially for the help of side by sides. There is a very good analysis if the Currier and Ives print by John Thorn, sorry I don't know how to post a link, but it has "unraveling " in the title. He has this information and is interested. Still, it would be great to find the photo.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Joe, thanks for the reference and especially for the help of side by sides. There is a very good analysis if the Currier and Ives print by John Thorn, sorry I don't know how to post a link, but it has "unraveling " in the title. He has this information and is interested. Still, it would be great to find the photo.

yes, I know, that is what I posted above in #11- the link to Thorn's blog - it is very interesting. I assume that is what you are referring to, as it has "unraveling" in the title. Here is the link again...

https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/unraveli...y-b443c0541c96

[bgar3]

Yes, that is it. That post was not there when I began mine, they must have crossed. It will be interesting to see if John Thorn is able to further unravel with this other reference. Thanks again, Joe.

[barrysloate]

I believe Currier & Ives printed their litho in 1866. If you look at the cluster of fans to the right of the umpire, you can see Henry Chadwick among the group, facing towards the camera and away from the game. I do not see him in the B&W print.

[bgar3]

Yes, Barry, I think you are right. The Currier artist did enhance and add some things. John Thorn's is very interesting, especially with Creighton as the pitcher.