Most over-valued card

[stargell1]

What in your opinion is the most over-valued baseball card?

[Danny Smith]

Every e105 Mello Mint I do / try to buy.

[darwinbulldog]

1952 Topps #311.

[KCRfan1]

Any Mike Trout, Harper, or Bryant rookie card.

[ALR-bishop]

It seems like everyone who does not have that card has that opinion

[Billy5858]

EVERY post war PSA 8 thru 10 centered Rookie card at this time

Unless I owned one of course

[clydepepper]

I'd have to go with the Mantle because it is no longer available to a lot of us.

I realize it is an iconic card in the industry, but it price level should NEVER have reached the Wagner neighborhood.

Let's say there are 60 known Wagner cards in existence...how many '52 Mantles are there? Several thousand? I have no idea.

Now, I realize that a lot of you guys put them in your bicycle spokes ,
but give me a break...

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

The Wood card was one of only seven personal white whales I was still looking to land...the Mantle has long since been removed...for realism sake. I will continue to search for a Wood in EX graded condition, but I am not very optimistic.

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

I'd have to go with the Mantle because it is no longer available to a lot of us.

I realize it is an iconic card in the industry, but it price level should NEVER have reached the Wagner neighborhood.

Let's say there are 60 known Wagner cards in existence...how many '52 Mantles are there? Several thousand? I have no idea.

Now, I realize that a lot of you guys put them in your bicycle spokes ,
but give me a break...

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

The Wood card was one of only seven personal white whales I was still looking to land...the Mantle has long since been removed...for realism sake. I will continue to search for a Wood in EX graded condition, but I am not very optimistic.

I bid on that Wood card in the early stages.................Then it took off....Just forget it. I bailed

[granite75]

I'll go with Jordan's rookie.

[pokerplyr80]

I still think the 52 Topps Mantle will keep going up, quite a bit from current levels. If I had enough money I would be buying more.

There are a couple of rookies that have recently went nuts that I think will come back down.

[irv]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1952 Topps #311.

No way!

I think the current, Rose RC is a bit much, but that's just my opinion.

[BeanTown]

1993 Finest Refractors!

[celoknob]

All PSA 9 and 10s.

[bcbgcbrcb]

All T206 "errors".......

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

I have a 1939 Play Ball graded set around 60% complete averaging about 5.5 and I'm worried I'll never get the Williams now even if I go to my absolute bottom on the card which would be a 3. 3-4 months ago that wasn't an issue.

[zachclose21]

I would have to say the 1952 topps #1 Andy pafko. I know it's the #1 card in the set and hard to find in nice shape but $5000 for an ok player.

[Luke]

[QUOTE=Aquarian Sports Cards;1555991]That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

Agree with this 100%. It's his only portrait and his most beautiful card. His T207 could rival it but just isn't very pleasing the eye. Supply and demand.

[JustinD]

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[bbcard1]

Not prewar, but certainly Vintage, the Reggie rookie has always been a tough sell.

[packs]

Ten Million Obak (got one for sale?)

[bravos4evr]

I think the price on high graded Rose RC's are out of hand. there are a lot of em out there compared to some of the other rarer cards that bring big $$$ but $150,000??? that's nuts

[Billy5858]

[QUOTE=LukeLyon;1555995]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

Agree with this 100%. It's his only portrait and his most beautiful card. His T207 could rival it but just isn't very pleasing the eye. Supply and demand.

Sold for 4 X SMR....... But yeah I know the story

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

I think the price on high graded Rose RC's are out of hand. there are a lot of em out there compared to some of the other rarer cards that bring big $$$ but $150,000??? that's nuts

+1 There's a PSA 10 coming up on HA
gonna be crazy!!

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Billy5858

+1 There's a PSA 10 coming up on HA
gonna be crazy!!

it's gonna be the card that breaks the high grade bubble IMO, it's gonna go for some crazy price like $750k or a million and the entire house of cards will collapse.

[pokerplyr80]

[QUOTE=Billy5858;1556004]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Sold for 4 X SMR....... But yeah I know the story

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

[Billy5858]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1556011]

Originally Posted by Billy5858

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

Yeah that's the "story" I'm talking about.
SMR is pretty much useless for some cards now
Days. I don't subscribe to VCP so never see that
Type of info. Looks like the 1950.00 was a great
Price. Still not diggin the Sour Grapes use though.
More like REALLY disappointed :-)

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by stargell1

What in your opinion is the most over-valued baseball card?

Most of the BINs on eBay

[Bosox Blair]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1556011]

Originally Posted by Billy5858

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

I bought the one from Love of the Game in 2015 for $2280 and I was thrilled to get it. I had been hunting that card for many years for my collection and I considered $2280 to be a bargain...still do.

That card is extremely tough, and has always sold for a LOT more than what I paid, let alone the deal someone got at $1925.

Overpriced? Sorry, but that is not supportable at all except for wishful thinking.

Now '52 Topps Mantles...that is a joke. There are boatloads of them. This postwar madness - a clear bubble - will burst harder than Upper Deck rookies (I guess nobody learned from that...if people even remember). It won't take that long.

Cheers,
Blair

[pokerplyr80]

I'm surprised how many people are picking the 52 Mantle, the most iconic card in the hobby. It's not one of the cards that has tripled in value in a month with rumors of market manipulation. Historically in any grade it has shown a consistent increase in value from year to year. It's the best card, of the most popular player, from the most famous team in history. Not to mention it's the best card from the first Topps set, one of the two most popular and widely collected sets in our hobby. The card has a lot going for it. Yes there are a lot of them compared to most expensive cards. But demand is far greater than supply in any grade. All hype? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes I am biased as I own one, and my collection is focused on Mantle cards. But I believe if you polled knowledgeable collectors which one card has the most long term investment potential the 52 Mantle would win by a landslide.

[MetsBaseball1973]

Those waiting for the 52 Topps Mantle to be worth less in any grade will be sitting a long while with their bitterness. Decades and decades of history support its status within the baseball card hobby.

[stargell1]

Some good answers.

I agree with the 52 topps Mantle because its not a rookie card. The 51 Bowman should be worth more.

Someone mentioned the Jordan rookie but that is a basketball card lol.. I disagree if you mean the 84 star because that's his rookie and Jordan has worldwide popularity. The 86 Fleer is way overvalued in my opinion because its not a rookie card.

My vote goes to the 71 topps Munson. I understand the guy was popular among Yankee fans and Yankee fans are everywhere, but non-rookie/non hall of fame card makes this the most over valued post war card in my opinion.

[the 'stache]

I would agree on Harper and Bryant. They have a long way to go before they prove they're going to be consistently great players.

But Trout? The guy is in his sixth season (well, fifth full season). The last four, he's either won an MVP, or been MVP runner up. He was Rookie of the Year, he's been a four-time All Star, and has won four Silver Sluggers. He has a career 42.5 WAR, and he's not even 25 yet. He's hit 156 home runs, stolen 123 bases, has a lifetime .306 AVG, and is slashing .399 OBP/.560 SLG/.959 OPS after 3,212 plate appearances. His 169 OPS + is eighth highest all-time for players with over 3,000 plate appearances.

Trout is a superstar, and his cards really aren't overvalued considering what he's done.


Best $99 I ever spent on my hobby.

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Any Mike Trout, Harper, or Bryant rookie card.

[the 'stache]

Again, respectfully, I have to disagree. Strongly. And I don't own the card.

Mantle is one of the ten greatest offensive players in the annals of Major League Baseball. He was the star for the most successful professional franchise in American sports history, in the biggest metropolitan area in America, at a time when television was exploding, and that team was still winning World Championships. Every kid in America wanted to be the Mick. Fathers named their kids after him. Women threw themselves at him. The Commerce Comet was ripped, charming, if not a little soft spoken initially, and looked like a movie star.

Take all those factors, and then consider that the biggest baseball card company of them all, Topps, made its major set debut in 1952. The 1952 Topps set is to vintage what the T206 set is to pre-war. And Mantle's card was the set's lynchpin.

Oh, and it was short-printed.

Originally Posted by JustinD

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[pcoz]

Mantle was an iconic figure and his 52T legendary for the hobby, but there are 2000 graded and over 11000 rumored to be printed...11k!!! If a 7 Mantle goes for 225-250k, then the Ruth RC in a PSA 7 coming in Heritage should be 750k, with probably 75-80 Ruth's graded(some crossed). Clemente's RC is insane too, how can a PSA 8 which was 12k two years ago now go for what a Ruth PSA 4 goes for, 150k!!!! I'm a pre-war guy and have a Ruth, with no interest in the Mantle, so I'm a little biased, but I'm trying to be logical. I'm just astounded that the post war cards that are in tremendous supply are going for these INSANE prices. Can't imagine there are that many more who don't have one already going to bid up cards with populations in the thousands for years to come. Great for the hobby if it happens!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Oh, and it was short-printed.

That would depend on your perspective.

The high series sheet did have a lower print run, however there are three double printed cards on that sheet: mantle, J. robinson and bobby Thomson.

I still stand by it, there simply are hundreds of more difficult cards to own and several even of Mick. The Dice Game card should be worth twice the 52 by logic. The 52 is a hype machine because of its draw to non collectors that buy them as investments and investors are a fickle crowd.

Yes, it has always held value and should for that icon reason, not for rarity. But 10s of thousands I will not scoff at. hundreds of thousands? Ridiculous.

[ullmandds]

Any "modern" rookie card.

[Rookiemonster]

The current prices for Clemente make him my answer .

[Econteachert205]

Rare back 06's. I personally care mostly about the front of the card, as in who is on it. Why a common with a rare back should bring 4-5 figures, I do not know.

[the 'stache]

Just curious as to why?

That base Trout Chrome card I posted-there are less than 2,000 of them in existence-1,695 if Topps has stayed consistent with the number of base chrome autos that were issued in 2004 (and it should be consistent; all the other numbers remain constant but blue, which has increased from /150 to /250). The refractor auto has a printing of /500. The blue refractor auto is limited to /250. The gold is /50, the orange is /25, the red is /5, and there's a /1 superfractor out there. That means, in total, there are about 2,526 autographed true Mike Trout rookie cards with his certified auto.

For how popular he is, that's a pretty short print run for all of baseball fans and collectors to fight over.

The non-autographed cards don't typically command anywhere near that kind of a price. For instance, this Bryce Harper is considered one of his most desirable non-auto releases. A Beckett 9.5/10 goes for under $300, last I checked. An ungraded one goes for under $100, unless it's dead centered.



This one was selling for around $1,200 earlier this season with Harper's hot start. It's dropped back down to about $8-900, and this is an exceptionally high grade card with all 9.5 subs.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Any "modern" rookie card.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Just curious as to why?



That base Trout Chrome card I posted-there are less than 2,000 of them in existence-1,695 if Topps has stayed consistent with the number of base chrome autos that were issued in 2004 (and it should be consistent; all the other numbers remain constant but blue, which has increased from /150 to /250). The refractor auto has a printing of /500. The blue refractor auto is limited to /250. The gold is /50, the orange is /25, the red is /5, and there's a /1 superfractor out there. That means, in total, there are about 2,526 autographed true Mike Trout rookie cards with his certified auto.



For how popular he is, that's a pretty short print run for all of baseball fans and collectors to fight over.



The non-autographed cards don't typically command anywhere near that kind of a price. For instance, this Bryce Harper is considered one of his most desirable non-auto releases. A Beckett 9.5/10 goes for under $300, last I checked. An ungraded one goes for under $100, unless it's dead centered.







This one was selling for around $1,200 earlier this season with Harper's hot start. It's dropped back down to about $8-900, and this is an exceptionally high grade card with all 9.5 subs.

If that's what you like to collect, more power to you, but listing print runs of modern inserts just proves that they are manufactured rarity.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I guess it doesn't make a difference how a card got rare, but I've never been a fan of the "artificial" rarity of the modern cards. Printing a card to intentionally make it rare to me is like the Franklin Mint intentionally only making a few of a given crappy collector plate. Sure it's rare, but....

EDIT: What Daryl said....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

If that's what you like to collect, more power to you, but listing print runs of modern inserts just proves that they are manufactured rarity.

and there is a very high likelihood that most copies will remain in pristine...as new condition.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I guess it doesn't make a difference how a card got rare, but I've never been a fan of the "artificial" rarity of the modern cards. Printing a card to intentionally make it rare to me is like the Franklin Mint intentionally only making a few of a given crappy collector plate. Sure it's rare, but....

EDIT: What Daryl said....

When something is manufactured to be scarce, rare or collectible it sort of takes the shine off of the collecting to me. For those that collect the manufactured rarities, good luck!! You will need it.

[ALR-bishop]

Since I collect Topps and Bowman sets I find myself indifferent to the issue of whether his first Bowman card should be worth more than his first Topps card. But as a person who adds variations to my sets the Mantle ( along with the two other DP high numbers, Robinson and Thompson), added a good deal of expense to my 52 set build

The 3 DP variants do not have a great deal of hobby recognition, but the Mantle has both back ( stitches on ball on back run right or left) and front differences ( the most noticeable being the top line of stars is wavy or straight and the end of the e in the auto is full or truncated). I don't think the Registry lists the two versions in it's master list, but the SCD Standard Catalog does.

I assume, but do not know if both versions exist in the hobby in approximately equal numbers. Nor have I heard that one or the other carries any premium. But for variation set guys, the Topps Mantle is a dilemma...whether overvalued or not

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by irv

No way!

I think the current, Rose RC is a bit much, but that's just my opinion.

You should make that picture your new avatar.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yes I am biased as I own one, and my collection is focused on Mantle cards. But I believe if you polled knowledgeable collectors which one card has the most long term investment potential the 52 Mantle would win by a landslide.

If I'm not mistaken you just insinuated we're not knowledgeable collectors. Is that correct?

[darwinbulldog]

I'm just gonna leave this here.

Player: Mickey Mantle
Elo Rank: #16
WAR Rank: #21
JAWS: #4 (CF)
Card: 1952 Topps
Rookie: No
Age of card: 64
PSA Population: 1358
Last auction price: $17,100

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

Player: Eddie Collins
Elo Rank: #8
WAR Rank: #13
JAWS: #2 (2B)
Card: W600
Rookie: Yes
Age of card: 110
PSA Population: 0
Last auction price: $531

http://www.goodwinandco.com/1902-11-...-lot28084.aspx

[JTysver]

'68 Ryan Rookie.
It was valued at $25 until the mid 80s and took off with the Card Boom of the late 80s. Its a very common card also.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I'm just gonna leave this here.

Player: Mickey Mantle
Elo Rank: #16
WAR Rank: #21
JAWS: #4 (CF)
Card: 1952 Topps
Rookie: No
Age of card: 64
PSA Population: 1358
Last auction price: $17,100

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

Player: Eddie Collins
Elo Rank: #8
WAR Rank: #13
JAWS: #2 (2B)
Card: W600
Rookie: Yes
Age of card: 110
PSA Population: 0
Last auction price: $531

http://www.goodwinandco.com/1902-11-...-lot28084.aspx

OPS+ Collins 142 Mantle 172
Championships Collins 4 Mantle 7

[cammb]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1952 Topps #311.

Without a doubt!