SCP Cy Young cabinets

[GaryPassamonte]

Wow!

[gnaz01]

Yeah Gary, I saw them too and said THE EXACT SAME THING!!!

[calvindog]

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

[tlwise12]

Where r you seeing them?

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by tlwise12

Where r you seeing them?

Email from SCP

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

Well, there goes that idea

[Matvoo]

Anyone have a pic?
Must be a very cool card

[bcbgcbrcb]

Time to get back into the BB HOF RC game............

[MattyC]

Gentlemen, start your engines.

[sporteq]

Amazing offering.. I wish I had a fabulous bank account

Enjoy

[atx840]

Link

Amazing items.

[gregr2]

Any idea how much this will go for?

[sporteq]

Originally Posted by tlwise12

Where r you seeing them?

http://www.icontact-archive.com/0RWw...HH-4TTzIwv?w=1

Here you go!

Albert

[Matvoo]

Originally Posted by atx840

Link

Amazing items.

Wow thats such an amazing card

[dog*dirt]

Wow! Spectacular.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

LOL, Scott.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

That's what everyone said about my signed T206 Cobb -- but I wasn't deterred and actually got it at a decent price.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

That's what everyone said about my signed T206 Cobb -- but I wasn't deterred and actually got it a decent price.

This time please be deterred - be very deterred.

...who am I kidding?

[calvindog]

Rob D and I are part of a formidable bidding syndicate which will go to the ends of the earth to secure the finest autographed prewar card extant.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by gregr2

Any idea how much this will go for?

With a piece this special, very hard to say. Will be a spirited contest, that's for sure. My bid-clicking finger is pumped!

[oldjudge]

You better get some steroids for that bidding finger. My sense is that this is a big boy lot.

[MattyC]

Will do-- just call me Palmeiro, LOL!

[MikeGarcia]

....Back off , peasants. I married money.

[E93]

What a stunning find! Phenomenal!
JimB

[e107collector]

Those cards are a spectacular find!!

Just a guess, but $250K+ for the Cy Young card alone?

It was from his personal collection, looks just like the Just So card, and personally autographed.

Thoughts?

Tony

[oldjudge]

Tony--I think you are Way over. First, cabinets always sell for less than similar cards. The Old Judge McGreachery proof, even though it has a better image and is in better shape than the N172, would sell for a lot less. Second, there is no proof that the cabinet came before the Just So, and really no proof that it was Cy Young's. For example, Young could have come across this group in the mid-1930s and, since he had little interest in them himself, sent them to a friend who he thought might like them. Finally, why would Cy Young autograph his own cabinet if it was in his collection? I think the Young cabinet is in the $25K-$50K range at best, assuming the signature is genuine. I wonder if it has a COA from PSA/DNA or Spence.

[e107collector]

Thanks for the info Jay - I guess I was a tad high

[Bicem]

$25-50k seems low to me. Hell, I'd gladly pay in that range and don't even collect 19th century or cabinets.

Guess we'll see...

[bcbgcbrcb]

I think $75K, approaching $100K is not out of the realm of possibility. Of course, that brings it well out of my price range and I would assume about 90% of the Net 54 collector base as well.

[oldjudge]

LOL: "After all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done."

[Bicem]

Friendly wager on hammer price Jay?

[Runscott]

$100k is my guess

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[T206Collector]

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

1 less bidder in the mix

[T206Collector]

Here we go. These are the two cards I was talking about, and the last recorded auction of each. To me, these are preferred to the cabinet, even though the cabinet presents better, and is easily the better signature. The medium that is being signed is so important in this hobby. Signed Marquards are a dime a dozen -- but a signed T206 Marquard is a $1,000+ card.



http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=21855




http://www.goodwinandco.com/autograp...s-lot9069.aspx

[CardboardTragic]

Hard to say what the hammer price would be but I'd say 6 figures at least.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

You're most likely in the very small minority. A t206 or w600 just doesn't compare to a possibly unique 1893 cabinet that shares the same image as the famed Just So card.

[ullmandds]

Agreed... By far the best autographed cy young card I've seen...if real. i'd love to have it...in a dream! none of the other issues compare.

Originally Posted by Bicem

You're most likely in the very small minority. A t206 or w600 just doesn't compare to a possibly unique 1893 cabinet that shares the same image as the famed Just So card.

[sago]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

For example, Young could have come across this group in the mid-1930s and, since he had little interest in them himself, sent them to a friend who he thought might like them.

So the envelope addressed in his own handwriting with period stamps was used for something else? Doubtful.

On another topic, does the "8 pictures" notation on the envelope mean there is a another cabinet card that was originally in the envelope?

[oldjudge]

I didn't say that the cabinet cards weren't mailed in the thirties. I just questioned when Young may have acquired them.

[barrysloate]

These wonderful cabinets are certainly the photos used for the Just So's, but not all of them look familiar. Because the cards are so rare and nearly all unique, it's reasonable to assume that some of these poses may no longer exist.

But while these cabinet cards are from the 1890's, the autographs look much later, perhaps penned in the mid 20th century. And why would Young autograph his own card? Perhaps he gave these away near the end of his life, and signed his as part of the gift.

Whatever the story, this is a spectacular group of photographs.

[T206Collector]

Yeah, they are super cool. I don't think I appreciate them quite as much as most. I wonder what the "rookie HOF auto" collectors think about the signed cabinet...

[Leon]

I will throw an estimate of 50k-75k on the Young cabinet based on my gut feeling. It will be interesting to watch. If two whales have to have it, forget my number, it could go much higher.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

I will throw an estimate of 50k-75k on the Young cabinet based on my gut feeling. It will be interesting to watch. If two whales have to have it, forget my number, it could go much higher.

+1. Exactly my gut too. However, if it were a period signature, ca. 1890's, I would think more like 100K. But as Leon said, the last two bidders standing will decide it.

[RUKen]

The photos and the composite can now be viewed individual on the auction website, lots #434-440: http://catalog.scpauctions.com/Category/Baseball-2.html

Minimum bids are $500 for Childs, $1000 each for McKean, Tebeau, and Zimmer, $3000 for Ewing, $5000 for the composite, and $10,000 for Young.

I've attached the signed Ewing:

[Josh Wolf]

These cabinets truly are an amazing find. Looking forward to see what they'll go for. It should be noted though that there is an error in the description saying that the team composite from 1896 is one of a kind. There was another example of this composite offered in the February 2007 Mastro Auction.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/lot-67670.aspx

It's still a great item but it isn't the only one known.

Josh

[bgar3]

Agree, 1896 composite, is not one of a kind, I had one in the 1980's that believe belonged to McAleer. It is possible it was the one in the auction, but I did not own it for long and cannot be sure if it is a third one or not.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by RUKen

The photos and the composite can now be viewed individual on the auction website, lots #434-440: http://catalog.scpauctions.com/Category/Baseball-2.html

Minimum bids are $500 for Childs, $1000 each for McKean, Tebeau, and Zimmer, $3000 for Ewing, $5000 for the composite, and $10,000 for Young.

I've attached the signed Ewing:

I thought that the writing on the Ewing was in Young's hand.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I thought that the writing on the Ewing was in Young's hand.

You are correct. I've just had another look at the auction descriptions--Young apparently identified all of the players. His own signature is deemed authentic, and the Ed McKean photo has two identifications, one by Young and the other said to be a signature from McKean himself.