Now Jose Fernandez is going to need Tommy John surgery

[the 'stache]

When is Major League Baseball going to admit it has a SERIOUS problem?



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This is just disgusting. In an effort to push athletes to run faster, hit farther, throw faster, Major League teams have forced their players into a wall. The human body can only do so much, and pitchers are dropping like flies.

[barrysloate]

I agree Bill. Something is wrong but I don't know exactly what it is. But so manyl of the great young arms seem to succumb to these awful injuries.

Back in the day when a pitcher was expected to pitch nine innings, he had to pace himself to get to the end of the game. Now that pitchers know they are only expected to go six or seven, they are less concerned with running out of gas. As a result, they are pitching like mad for roughly 100 pitches, probably putting too much stress on their arms. And I'm not even sure if that is the cause, but there is no doubt that the pitcher injury list is growing large. Look at the Mets and the Yankees, for example. Those two teams alone are keeping the surgeons very busy.

Something should be done, whatever that may be.

[the 'stache]

It's just frightening.

Greg Maddux didn't have the raw stuff most of these "aces" now do, but he had about a 20 year career because he was smart, and he had incredible careers.

[pgellis]

I think that pitch counts have lead to this problem. Pitchers are babied today with pitch counts and not throwing between starts. How can they build up strength in their arms with these limitations?

Back before pitch counts, starters were expected to pitch 8-9 innings. It was about innings, not pitches. Let these starters throw 150+ pitches a game. Long toss between starts, etc., etc.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by pgellis

I think that pitch counts have lead to this problem. Pitchers are babied today with pitch counts and not throwing between starts. How can they build up strength in their arms with these limitations?

Back before pitch counts, starters were expected to pitch 8-9 innings. It was about innings, not pitches. Let these starters throw 150+ pitches a game. Long toss between starts, etc., etc.

I agree.

Another problem is they way they pitch when they are kids, they all try to throw 90MPH in LL and HS

[Beatles Guy]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I agree.

Another problem is they way they pitch when they are kids, they all try to throw 90MPH in LL and HS

I agree with this and the fact that they start throwing a curve ball at too young an age. It puts horrible strain on an undeveloped arm.

[SmokyBurgess]

Originally Posted by pgellis

I think that pitch counts have lead to this problem. Pitchers are babied today with pitch counts and not throwing between starts. How can they build up strength in their arms with these limitations?

Back before pitch counts, starters were expected to pitch 8-9 innings. It was about innings, not pitches. Let these starters throw 150+ pitches a game. Long toss between starts, etc., etc.

Maybe Leo Mazzone had the right program in Atlanta. Glavine, Maddux and many others seemed to fair well in their careers.

[packs]

I think it's the mentality of the pitchers, like some others have suggested.

Everyone thinks they have to throw hard. I can't think of a pitcher who's gone down that is a contact pitcher. I feel like pitchers today need to be taught to pitch to contact in certain situations. If no one's on base, you don't have to strike a guy out. If there's a man on first, the double play is your friend.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

ESPN the magazine had a great article about the strain that increased velocity puts on a pitcher's arm. I highly recommend reading it.


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[MyGuyTy]

Definitely has been a bad year up to this point in baseball with so many big time injuries....it's sickening.

I'm starting to wonder if the Yankees are gonna have any capable uninjured bodies left to finish the season! This year is QUICKLY starting to mimic last year's NYY team. If they're all healthy, it's a playoff/WS contender....if they keep going down the same path and dropping like flies, Baltimore is gonna walk away with the East this year. Looking more and more like another wasted season in the Bronx for us Yankee fans

[MyGuyTy]

On a side note, what I find amazing is that hockey players go all season and all playoffs long smashing their bodies against one another and against the boards, taking pucks all over their bodies (ie. face, throat, midsection, legs) get whacked in the face and throat with opposing hockey sticks, fall down constantly on solid ice that's hard as a rock and take cross checks to the body....yet they seem to miss very little time as a general rule throughout the season.

Yet Baseball players who f*cking stand around most of the game/season, run occasionally and do as little as possible compared to the 3 other major sports.....SOMEHOW end up with higher injury rates...

Today's baseball player's are becoming increasingly more fragile compared to past generations, yet today's players are so much bigger and stronger.....absolutely amazing how these guys just can't stay healthy for a whole season to save their lives.

[packs]

To be fair the baseball season is the most grueling of any sport. It's almost 6 months long and 7 months if you make it to the World Series.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by packs

To be fair the baseball season is the most grueling of any sport. It's almost 6 months long and 7 months if you make it to the World Series.

To counter argue, if you added up the "gruelingness" of an 82 game hockey season vs. a 6 month baseball season (of mostly standing around or sitting on your ass in the dugout), hockey is still a million times more demanding and physically exhausting on the human body. Just read an article, a Minnesota Wild player just played the entire playoff series against the Hawks with a separated shoulder!......lol. If a BB player separated his shoulder, he's on the DL and likely done for the season.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by packs

To be fair the baseball season is the most grueling of any sport. It's almost 6 months long and 7 months if you make it to the World Series.

True, but these guys are getting hurt early in the season.

I've been having an ongoing chat with Will Carroll. Last night, Jason Kendall (former MLB catcher) was on the Olbermann show. He has a theory that pitchers are getting these injuries more often because they are weight training more. It seems at least plausible that the increased mass they are adding decreases the flexibility of the arm, and the larger muscles are putting more torque on the ligaments.

Nolan Ryan was incredibly conditioned. He rode the exercise bike for hours every day, and worked on his ranch pretty much every day. But he never did any real weight training, at least not the kind that built muscle mass.

I think baseball players are pushing the human body as far as it can go.