Opinions On This Gehrig Goudey?

[MattyC]

Hi Guys,

Does this ebay item look off to you? Appears like a breached slab to me, with a telltale crack in top left joint, but also synthetic looking color. What's the proper etiquette here if so: politely point out to seller in case he bought a bad card?

It also appears there is some erased writing on the top left of the card's back, which I think would necessitate an MK qualifier?

I have definitely seen some spider webbing in the joint of the slab occur naturally, right off the press in fact, so it's a toss up for me on that aspect, gauging purely off a scan.

eBay item:
271356889746

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271356889746...746%26_rdc%3D1

Best,

Matt

*Title edited so as not to possibly besmirch card.

[4815162342]

The card looks good to me.

[bn2cardz]

The card looks right to me. Also the top left mark on the back looks like the WST of the name. A lot of my goudeys have this up there (the red on the bottom transfers a lot as well)

I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

[chipperhank44]

I'm not a Goudey expert, but I think the writing on the back is actually the text "Gehrig" bleeding through from the front, much like the red box on the bottom is bleeding through on the back. I do believe that bleeding through is a good sign that many counterfeits lack, however I've not seen the name bleeding through in my limited experience, but it seems plausible. Also, it looks like the red box at the bottom extends beyond the picture border on the right side, which I believe is also a positive sign. Your concerns about the color and holder are legitimate. I'll defer to the experts now.

[ullmandds]

I concur...nice looking...authentic card!

Like "new" as seller states!!!

[MattyC]

Per VCP, it was sold on 12/7/13; different seller yet same scan. Anyways, I guess it just has anomalously bold, rich color. It was that coupled with the larger than usual stress cracks near the slab joint that gave me pause. The color on that card is off the charts!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Per VCP, it was sold on 12/7/13; different seller yet same scan.

I will admit to stealing the scan from a previous seller when I buy a card. I figure it is easier than me rescanning the card again to get the same result. Also there was a time where my scanner was down and it was just better than waiting or taking a picture. Yet, I can see where the concern could be from a buyer so I try not to use the scan when reselling (though it has happened in a quick flip and/or laziness).

[iggyman]

Originally Posted by chipperhank44

I'm not a Goudey expert, but I think the writing on the back is actually the text "Gehrig" bleeding through from the front, much like the red box on the bottom is bleeding through on the back. I do believe that bleeding through is a good sign that many counterfeits lack, however I've not seen the name bleeding through in my limited experience, but it seems plausible. Also, it looks like the red box at the bottom extends beyond the picture border on the right side, which I believe is also a positive sign. Your concerns about the color and holder are legitimate. I'll defer to the experts now.

The Gehrig is authentic, no question about that, but keep in mind that nothing can be 100% guaranteed without having the card in the palm of your hand. I don't think the card has been bleached, but truth be told, my internet expert opinion PHD diploma never did touch on the subject of blondes.

On another note, Chipperhank's assessment is pretty good with the exception of the bleeding part. The text and red-ink that is commonly seen on the back of Goudey's is actually a wet sheet transfer. In my opinion, the Goudey's are way too thick to exhibit ink bleeding from the front. My final critique, since I am on a bit of a roll, fake Goudey Gehrig's and Ruth's have been seen with the red-ink transfer on the back side, so that trait should NEVER be on anyone's "Goudey's Gehrig mental authentication checklist".

Lovely Day.

[MattyC]

I would definitely pay a premium for color like that, but at $2500 we are getting into PSA/SGC 6 territory.

It's funny how in this era of scans, they can magnify or distort aspects of a card that would not hit your eye the same way when examined in-hand. That's why I love shows so much, aside from being able to talk cards with fellow enthusiasts. It's kind of like how, every now and then, I find myself staring at a random word and thinking, 'That word just looks off; is it really spelled that way?' And I know it's correct, but it just looks strange because I'm staring at it for a longer time than usual.

[DeanH3]

Nice card for sure. Has great focus. This is a pretty tough card to find focused. But still, the asking price is too steep for me.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by MattyC

It's kind of like how, every now and then, I find myself staring at a random word and thinking, 'That word just looks off; is it really spelled that way?' And I know it's correct, but it just looks strange because I'm staring at it for a longer time than usual.

It's funny that you mention this because I go through the same thing from time to time. I was looking at a few Jordan rookies the other day and I was staring at the name plate when it just hit me...is that how you really spell his last name? Lol. It just looked funny when you stared at it for a few seconds. I have gone through this a few times with some random basic words...good stuff


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[ullmandds]

ha ha...i do that from time to time...just stare at a word or name and after a while the spelling seems wrong...or just plain weird!!!!

[E93]

Card looks good to me and correctly graded. I think what you are seeing in the top left corner on the back is bleed through from the name on the front which is common with Goudeys.
JimB

[AMBST95]

I agree with the others. I see an authentic card there. I'm not an expert but I hope I've picked up enough on these boards and by handling some Goudeys in person. I do understand the concerns your bring up though and the cracking on the case is definitely not good and should raise eyebrows off the bat. That said, I have more than a few cards that I've cracked like that from simply dropping them. The blue background looks a lot stronger than most Goudeys, but the price seems off if they want to move it.

[MW1]

The PSA holder has clearly been tampered with. The previous owner of the card also "sold" it twice on eBay--once on 7/14/12 and again on 12/7/13. My guess is that the first buyer had an issue with it and returned it for a refund, never paid for it in the first place, or shill bidding was involved.

[MattyC]

Pete & Mike-- how funny is that? As I was typing that, about words looking strange sometimes, I thought, "What if I'm the only one who experiences this?" Glad to see I'm not alone LOL

FWIW, I made a very strong offer; it would have been the second highest paid on VCP for a 4-- and it was auto rejected.

[paleocards]

Here's mine, purchased from Tom Witek (Piedmont Cards) at last summer's National in Chicago. Same characteristics on the reverse...

[oldcardboard]

Originally Posted by E93

Card looks good to me and correctly graded. I think what you are seeing in the top left corner on the back is bleed through from the name on the front which is common with Goudeys.
JimB

Agreed.

[MattyC]

Paleo-- that is a beautiful example. What a clean image and wonderful color. Congrats.

[Leon]

The original one being talked about looks real. Interestingly it has 14 offers on it. That's a lot of offers.

[MattyC]

Three of those were mine. To no avail!

[pawpawdiv9]

I had asked the seller if the slab had been dropped due to the crack/chip under the label and if he could provide pics of other angles of the slab.

[WillowGrove]

[QUOTE=MattyC;1231583]Pete & Mike-- how funny is that? As I was typing that, about words looking strange sometimes, I thought, "What if I'm the only one who experiences this?" Glad to see I'm not alone LOL

I remember doing this with friends years ago. The one word I remember that cracked us up was the word.... Camera.

Camera.

Camera. Camera. Camera.

Huh what? A camera?

[pawpawdiv9]

He responded back to my question ^^^^

It's the camera..The card and slab are perfect..

- ofrogers

Looks like the seller has re-listed the item.