T206 Mullaney Dissected

[Leon]

Chris B (hey Chris) performed his dissecting expertise on the Mullaney overprint. I thought, even though it gets shown often, a few folks would like to see the individual processes. There is one more yellow pass to be figured out and it could get tricky . For the record, I don't think I could ever do this myself. Not in a million years. Thanks again to Chris...much appreciated...

[freakhappy]

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing, Chris and Leon!

One question...why is one of the separated backs, a blank back? Is it because it is considered scrap in the first place?


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[Leon]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing, Chris and Leon!

One question...why is one of the separated backs, a blank back? Is it because it is considered scrap in the first place?


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The blank represents the yellow pass not applied yet as it's not been figured out yet. The back is upside down to start with and I flipped it for this thread, to show the processes better.....

[freakhappy]

Thanks for the explanation and congrats on such a beautiful card!


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[GoldenAge50s]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Thanks for the explanation and congrats on such a beautiful card!


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Mike--

You mean a card that is so UGLY, that it BECOMES BEAUTIFUL! LOL!

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Very cool

[deadballera]

Much props to Chris for some fine work !

Never get tired of that card Leon. It is very cool

[CW]

Wow, that's amazing seeing all the backs isolated like that! Great card, Leon, and well done, Chris!

I hope the smileys are on lockdown because johnny's gonna go crazy when he sees this!

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by deadballera

Much props to Chris for some fine work !

Never get tired of that card Leon. It is very cool

It's even cooler now! Thanks Chris!

[atx840]

Thanks guys, its a definitely a fun card to study. Still trying to figure out the last piece.

[t206fix]

So, Leon... is there a story of where you found this card? How long have you had it?

[Piratedogcardshows]

Amazing work Chris to break it down like that.That card is so interesting.

[BlueSky]

Chris,

Really amazing analysis, what tool(s) did you use to extract the layers?

Leon,

That is one crazy back. It's hard to look away.

Regards,
Marty

[JohnP0621]

Leon,

That Card is way cool. It would be the pride of most collections if it had only One of the Backs shown. But with all those different Backs, WOW. Congrats on owning such a rare card.
Chris ,unbelievable work... Thanks for Sharing.

Regards
John P

[mrvster]

GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow!!!!



This is truly one of my favorite scraps ....... this truly is amazing....great job CHRIS! Leon, this is the card I want

[barrysloate]

Best T206 print freak out there, and an unfathomable job by Chris to separate the colors. This should be an article in Old Cardboard.

[MVSNYC]

Sick card.

Sick analysis.

[Leon]

Thanks for the kind words guys but being the owner is nothing more special than me paying a crazy price for it when it sold. Chris gets all of the accolades here. The thing that stood out to me upon the dissection is how clear the Young really is. I sort of thought it was going to be like a wet sheet transfer but it's clearly not. If anyone wants to read the original owners discussion on the board here are the 3 most pertinent threads. The first one (1) is the first time Tom (owner of it for 30 yrs) posted about it on the board almost 8 yrs ago. The next two are lively discussions when he was selling it. My very first guess on value was 300-500, before it was ever for sale. But admittedly that was just to get the ball rolling in the original thread. When the original owner said he wanted 45k for it everyone thought it was many times too high. In today's market I don't know if it would get there but it might get to half of it...who knows, but it's not for sale anyway...

(1) http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...mullaney+ghost


(2) http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...mullaney+ghost


(3) http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...mullaney+ghost

[ullmandds]

Great job chris...and just think...an anti t206 guy such as myself was the also ran on this one!!!

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by atx840

Thanks guys, its a definitely a fun card to study. Still trying to figure out the last piece.

Any initial thoughts on the last yellow "piece". I think it is the bottom left corner of a card, so it appears upside down. Not sure what card it could be though. Went through all of them this morning. It probably is the yellow pass for some grass in the lower left corner of the front. That's my guess, but for who? Not sure.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Any initial thoughts on the last yellow "piece". I think it is the bottom left corner of a card, so it appears upside down. Not sure what card it could be though. Went through all of them this morning. It probably is the yellow pass for some grass in the lower left corner of the front. That's my guess, but for who? Not sure.

***Whomever figures out the last yellow portion (and Chris agrees is correct) gets a Free Net54baseball T shirt.....and Chris is going to get one for doing the heavy lifting already....


Chris- Please PM your desire on size, color and address......

[atx840]

Hey Phil I did the same and no luck either. It could be yellow hidden under another color, making green, orange or behind blue or red.

There is also yellow on Young's face and a bit on the top of the card.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by atx840

Hey Phil I did the same and no luck either. It could be yellow hidden under another color, making green, orange or behind blue or red.

There is also yellow on Young's face and a bit on the top of the card.

How about ...

Thebo
Blackburne
Breitenstein or
Berger

Those are my best guesses...

[ethicsprof]

this is amazing detective work, Chris!!!
wow!
Leon, you might want to give him 2 shirts. I suspect your card has now gone
up astronomically---as Johnny surreptitiously gets his money together!

congratulations.

all the best,
barry

[freakhappy]

Here are a few guesses:

Willis throwing
marquard follow through
overall hand at face
jimmy hart

This is tough!

[CW]

I remember saving an image of this card when it was first posted by the original owner (I rarely save images of cards I don't own unless it's a really cool, special card. This one definitely fits the bill!).

Thanks for posting the links to those threads, Leon. It's interesting to go back through those old threads and see some of the early theories, many from collectors who still post here. Looks like the yellow patch also had people confused back then, too.



Great back story from link 3 posted by Leon:

As I wrote on another thread regarding this card,

In about 1973 or 1972, that time frame, I walked into a nostalgia shop (must have been one of the first of its kind) on Ascan Avenue in Forest Hills, Queens called Little Nemo's. The owner had a shoebox with about 180 T206s in it. He sold them to me for the lofty sum of $15. This card was one of them.

Fast forward about 8 years, now I am living alone in Manhattan. My apartment was burglarized. I had my t206s in a case, in three stacks. The crooks took two of the stacks, left the third. This card was in the stack they left.

I often gazed at this card wondering who that ghost image was. I had heard that error cards were worthless, so I didn't pursue it. I am not a t206 collector, and I started selling off my cards on ebay a couple of years ago under my ID of easthamptonauctions (my ID was hoofaway back then)

Then about two years ago Leland's auctioned off a card with a Piedmont double overstrike. It went for maybe $1500, that neighborhood. I thought, well, damn, I got something that sure beats that! I was directed to this board from the ebay Sports Mem. board. I posted an image of it and quite a wonderful thread grew out of it.

What now? Beats me. This pretty much is my t206 collection.

[atx840]

A higher resolution scan of the yellow area.

[E93]

Chris,
Amazing work!

Is that a brown Old Mill?
JimB

[CW]

The unknown yellow part is a deeper yellow, and almost appears to have dripped or smudged when it was originally applied (multiple strikes of yellow?).

[mrvster]

Hey guys....I'm really excited about this thread.....glad I requested this to be done....You guys know I'm obsessed with scrap....and this card....I believe it to be a "rossetta" scrap.....gives us such insight to the process of the lithography...The Young is part of the family of back ghosts: Starr, becker, Weimer, Gibson chances....that definitely changes a WST ghost $100 card to an overprint 10 K card.....this has so many aspects of scrap.......the back ghost, Young , not to mention...


This card alone was part of one sheet , that if I saw the whole sheet, I think I would literally have a heart attack

these scraps are not crap


they are "mini" works of art....true little "snowflakes"...just exciting, t206 alternative cards.....rare....one of ones.....cards like these are centerpieces of a collection....you are truly blessed to have this card Leon...and I would n't want to let it go if I had it....


wow...

I 'm always shooting myself in the foot, and I don't want to "hype" these cards up, because they have now left my affordability....I was always the scrap/freak proponent, but that has kinds back fired on me..,i'm happy to see collectors enjoy them the way I do..collectors finally realize the "coolness" of these little wonders......so aesthetically pleasing...(to me at least)...and I see them not stopping.....just "unearthing" new ones....hidden gem amonst common and hofers....the excitement of finding a brown old mill or a uppy......the excitement of seeing a "colorless" card on ebay, and its a new yellow brown....new examples/types of the good ones....I gotta stop....before I have a scrap seizure..


as everyone here knows, I love my cards and seeing these cool ones....please post/share any here if youd like(not to hijack)

if I may, dissect the "auction estimates id say": to answer Leons question...


if this card was sold as SEVEN INDIVIDUAL SCRAPS.....Goodwin prices I'm going to take a stab....I hate putting an estimate on any of these, but there usually is nothing to compare to when you get this unique or rare...just what two collectors are willing to pay for something.....you Bastards better hope I don't win the lottery, I'm coming for your scrap

please dissect my Bigger auction house guestimate...

1) four back upside down Piedmont 350- 5- 7 K ???

2) EPDG scrap- I have never seen more than a handful ever- 3k- 5K ???

3) EPDG uppy 2 back scrap I have never seen one until now- 7 K ??

4) BRown OM - 10 K- 15 K ? less than a dozen known?? not sure about these estimates

5) Upside down overprinted Cy Young 2 part ghost- 15 K - 20 K

6) Upside down negative yellow layer young ghost Blank Back- 5-8K

7) Blank Back Mullaney-2- 3 K




that is on the highest ends I would estimate......do the math


these estimates would be for each individual scrap errors if they were separate(7) individual cards...


lets have some fun...throw out your estimates

[Bestdj777]

My best guess is the yellow pass on the back is a partial Wagner.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Hey guys....I'm really excited about this thread.....glad I requested this to be done....You guys know I'm obsessed with scrap....and this card....I believe it to be a "rossetta" scrap.....gives us such insight to the process of the lithography...The Young is part of the family of back ghosts: Starr, becker, Weimer, Gibson chances....that definitely changes a WST ghost $100 card to an overprint 10 K card.....this has so many aspects of scrap.......the back ghost, Young , not to mention...


This card alone was part of one sheet , that if I saw the whole sheet, I think I would literally have a heart attack

these scraps are not crap


they are "mini" works of art....true little "snowflakes"...just exciting, t206 alternative cards.....rare....one of ones.....cards like these are centerpieces of a collection....you are truly blessed to have this card Leon...and I would n't want to let it go if I had it....


wow...

I 'm always shooting myself in the foot, and I don't want to "hype" these cards up, because they have now left my affordability....I was always the scrap/freak proponent, but that has kinds back fired on me..,i'm happy to see collectors enjoy them the way I do..collectors finally realize the "coolness" of these little wonders......so aesthetically pleasing...(to me at least)...and I see them not stopping.....just "unearthing" new ones....hidden gem amonst common and hofers....the excitement of finding a brown old mill or a uppy......the excitement of seeing a "colorless" card on ebay, and its a new yellow brown....new examples/types of the good ones....I gotta stop....before I have a scrap seizure..


as everyone here knows, I love my cards and seeing these cool ones....please post/share any here if youd like(not to hijack)

if I may, dissect the "auction estimates id say": to answer Leons question...


if this card was sold as SEVEN INDIVIDUAL SCRAPS.....Goodwin prices I'm going to take a stab....I hate putting an estimate on any of these, but there usually is nothing to compare to when you get this unique or rare...just what two collectors are willing to pay for something.....you Bastards better hope I don't win the lottery, I'm coming for your scrap

please dissect my Bigger auction house guestimate...

1) four back upside down Piedmont 350- 5- 7 K ???

2) EPDG scrap- I have never seen more than a handful ever- 3k- 5K ???

3) EPDG uppy 2 back scrap I have never seen one until now- 7 K ??

4) BRown OM - 10 K- 15 K ? less than a dozen known?? not sure about these estimates

5) Upside down overprinted Cy Young 2 part ghost- 15 K - 20 K

6) Upside down negative yellow layer young ghost Blank Back- 5-8K

7) Blank Back Mullaney-2- 3 K




that is on the highest ends I would estimate......do the math


these estimates would be for each individual scrap errors if they were separate(7) individual cards...


lets have some fun...throw out your estimates

Johnny, you get all giddy about this stuff, it's great!! It's always nice to see passion in the hobby.
As much as I would like a realized price based on individual prices I don't think there is any way to do that with this kind of scrap. It has to be taken in it's totality. If someone were to give it to me for our auction I would give them an estimate of 20k+.....I think there are enough well heeled collectors to get to that point fairly safely in today's environment. Anything after that would be anyone's guess.....then too, maybe it would be like some other recent cards that don't get close to the auction estimate? It would be fun to watch.

[barrysloate]

I think it would safely be worth 15-20K to any number of collectors...but the real interest would be how far those last two guys would take it. It's probably a you-only-get-one-chance-to-get kind of card, so it might sell for quite a bit more than 20K.

And I think if you really want to see what's going on on the back, you first need to drop some acid.

[CW]

I think Jamie Hull was onto something with this post about the unknown yellow pass possibly being from the horizontal Mullin. I was not able to do this perfectly, as I don't have the skills of a pro like Chris, but maybe this leads to something...

[bn2cardz]

The other yellow is Mullin Horizontal. The Yellow does the grass and the glove.

[bn2cardz]

I was getting all the evidence I needed when I was writing my post. So someone else already answered when I was doing that.

[pgellis]

Yup, that's it.

[atx840]

I couldn't get it to fit without covering the glove but that was the closest guess. I'll try again, thanks guys.

[CW]

This is lined up a little bit better...

[pgellis]

Wouldn't the glove (brown) be added last? Thus you can cover it.

[mrvster]

great sleuth work! please don't sell this card unless you trade to me leon

that's another error! # 8!

I know this card would top and go 30 K + easily.....

[atx840]

Mullin works, there is yellow under the glove and face, likely covered up with brown & buff. Leon, I think that's it.

Added some yellow shading to bottom (top) of the Young yellow layer

[4815162342]

That is an awesome gif.

[ullmandds]

Another amazing job Chris !!! I think this card should be on the next T-shirt... The front on the front and the back on the back!

[barrysloate]

Amazing Chris- you should get a Net54 round of applause!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Amazing Chris- you should get a Net54 round of applause!

+1 (btw, we'll have to figure out who wins the shirt??)

[freakhappy]

Sweet! Good job, Chris

[wolf441]

Tip 'o the hat to you, sir!!

[wonkaticket]

Great job Chris, Leon you should add that GIF to the B&L auction listing.

[Sean]

Chris did a great job separating those backs. Does anyone have a guess how that back was printed? Did it start out as an Old Mill scrap, and then it was used by the printers to line up the other backs and fronts?

And also, what is a GIF?