1916 H801-9 The Globe

[timelord]

Greetings fellow pre war collectors. I was wondering if we have any experts on the 1916 H801-9 cards that have The Globe advertising on back. Any information on rarity in comparison with other add backs would be appreciated.
Merry Christmas
Richard

[smtjoy]

I would put them a bit over the middle, not real tough but not common if you are just looking for a type card. Now if you are looking for a certain player or working a team set, then very hard to impossible.

Here are the pop reports (many still not graded but gives you an idea vs the most common and one of the hardest ones, remember 200 cards in the set.

M101-4 SN Blank Back- (PSA 1579 + SGC 499 ) = 2078 Total Graded
The Globe- (PSA 59 + SGC 154 ) = 213 Graded (just over one sets worth)
Mall Thearter- (PSA 0 + SGC 5 ) = 5 Total Graded

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[nolemmings]

IMO, Globe is the Fifth/Sixth easiest ad back or 13th/14h toughest, depending on your point of view. The most common ad backs are TSN and Famous & Barr, then Standard Biscuit and Herpolsheimer with Weil Baking and Globe closer to that latter group than the next toughest, which is Indy Brewing. After that, they become noticeably tougher.

[timelord]

Greetings, thanks for the info. I thought they were much tougher then implied here. I personally don't rate strickly on what has been graded since I think there are some BIG old timers collections that have mostly raw cards. I myself have more raw then graded in my collection. Just an observation. Thanks for the responses and hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.
Richard

[tonyo]

According to old cardboard's relative population estimate % among sponsors of M101-4/5's

Blank 40%
SN 20%
F&B 12%
std biscuit 6%

then all at 2%:
Globe, Gimbels, Herpolsheimer, Indy Brewing, Morehouse Baking, Ware's, Weil Baking.


of course the oldcardboard info references Todd, so...............

[timelord]

Tonyo, thats very interesting. I would imagine that certain cards are more difficult within this Globe set especially Hall of Famers which are retained in collections more then the commons.Thanks for your comment.
Merry Christmas,
Richard

[nolemmings]

According to old cardboard's relative population estimate % among sponsors of M101-4/5's

Blank 40%
SN 20%
F&B 12%
std biscuit 6%

then all at 2%:
Globe, Gimbels, Herpolsheimer, Indy Brewing, Morehouse Baking, Ware's, Weil Baking.

Ah yes, I remember that part of the project. Tim and I wrestled with those numbers and I didn't really want much emphasis put on them for a few reasons. First, it is tough to gauge relative scarcity with precision. We wanted to show that a blank back is 2 times less scarce than a card with TSN (probably a little more, and Sporting News is 10X easier (or more) than many of these other backs, but everything needed to add up to 100% and if we started splitting things too fine you got numbers like Globe 2.65% Gimbels 2.13% etc. such that, to me anyway, connotes that we spent much more time and had much more data than was truly the case.

Second, all advertiser backs combined are still so much less than what you see in T206 that it doesn't take much to upset the hierarchy. This year, for example, there were 300 or so different Famous & Barr auctioned within a few months, making it now just about as common as Sporting News, certainly moreso this year. There are that many Sweet Caporals in the market at pretty much any one time for T206 collectors, but this was a significant swing for m101 cards. Also, there were about 200 Herpolsheimers auctioned at once, and while that set was always relatively common, such a number would seem to spike the numbers dramatically--EXCEPT that 95% of those were sold as one lot--a near set that may not be broken up or otherwise see the market for years.

Condition enters into population with some folks too, myself included. There have been dozens of Holmes to Homes card graded somewhat recently, which would spike the pop and presumably move them down from what most would concede as being near the top of the scarcity list. However, virtually all if not all of them have back damage and are graded 1 or A. To me, this leaves the scarcity issue about where it was, because I don't want one with paper loss (almost all were glued in an album), especially as the back is the desirable/scarce characteristic. This happened a few years back with Indy Brewing too, where a near or entire set was broken up, but all had been badly damaged from water--supposedly left in the rain where they "congealed" as a group and stuck together. True that's nearly 200 in pop, but they were not widely sought and are fugly IMO.

Sorry for the long-winded reply but just wanted collectors to not get too worked up over the scarcity percentages listed on Old Cardboard for these m101 issues. They are for the most part accurate, but were never intended as gospel and have changed over the four plus years since we studied them.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Sorry for the long-winded reply but just wanted collectors to not get too worked up over the scarcity percentages listed on Old Cardboard for these m101 issues. They are for the most part accurate, but were never intended as gospel and have changed over the four plus years since we studied them.

No that's very interesting and thanks much for expounding!

I really like the set, just wish there were more affordable/available.

I think I have 2 blank, 1 globe and 1 F&B among my types.

[timelord]

Todd, I also would like to thank you for taking the time to explain that more clearly. I agree 100% that condition is key especially for back damage on these rare backs. I picked up a Maranville SGC 85 with The Globe back. This is the only one graded but God knows how many there are in collections that have not been graded. Thanks again and Merry Christmas.

[Leon]

And to add a few thoughts of my own as I think I was one of the old crew who actually cared about the backs, back in the day ...well, at least about 15 years ago. I have actually seen more blank backs than SN backs. That aside there are a few different Everybody's and Gimbels backs, that have a different type printing, which I would put in the most scarce category. And with everything seen over the last few years I am not sure Gimbels isn't currently near the top of the toughest back list. The chase is half the fun. This grouping isn't complete but it's close...

[timelord]

Wow. Leon, thanks so much for posting those backs. I have never seen many of them. I think I only have F & B, The Globe, SB, and SN backs. I may have Tribune back also. I hope Santa brings me some vintage baseball cards for Christmas.