Just makes you want to cry...

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Kinda speechless and saddened when I first saw this:

http://www.beckett.com/news/2012/04/joejacksonbarrel/

[Cardboard Junkie]

I think that card is a P.O.S.........I think the hype and gimmick of goofy cards like this are why youngsters have drifted away from our hobby.
Another thing....why does that card looked creased and smooshed corners? Was it made to look "Old"?
I hope it wasn't a nice bat that was destroyed to make this card.
However tpg would probably give it a 7 or 8 dave.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Say it ain't so Joe...

[E93]

I posted a comment that I doubt will get through the moderator. This kind of stuff appalls me! Should we chop up the Mona Lisa? How about chopping T206 Wagners into 100 pieces?
JimB

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by E93

I posted a comment that I doubt will get through the moderator. This kind of stuff appalls me! Should we chop up the Mona Lisa? How about chopping T206 Wagners into 100 pieces?
JimB

Jim,

Your comment made it through the mods, now let's see how long it lasts

[bender07]

Originally Posted by E93

I posted a comment that I doubt will get through the moderator. This kind of stuff appalls me! Should we chop up the Mona Lisa? How about chopping T206 Wagners into 100 pieces?
JimB

Looks like you got through...agree with your sentiments...

[zljones]

That's a card? And also talk about exploiting the hobby. Destroying a piece of history just to make money off of the pieces of it, and calling it card collecting. This insert revolution has gone too far. It was exciting in the days of the 1990 Upperdeck Heros Reggie Jackson Auto, and the 1991 Donruss Elite set, but now it has gone too far!

[GaryPassamonte]

I could not agree more, Jim. Destroying these great pieces of sports history is disgraceful and almost criminal. I like the Mona Lisa analogy. Who would think that that would be a good thing? How about the Declaration of Independence? There are lots of good signatures there.

[drc]

That's the worst Joe Jackson signature I've ever seen. The singer or the player.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

I could not agree more, Jim. Destroying these great pieces of sports history is disgraceful and almost criminal. I like the Mona Lisa analogy. Who would think that that would be a good thing? How about the Declaration of Independence? There are lots of good signatures there.

Well, not to argue but there is more than one Joe Jackson bat. Regards to Mona Lisa and Declaration, that's it, that's the only one. Buuuuuut you can argue about I think they cut up Josh Gibson's only known bat.

Regardless, it's still ridiculous, can't hold that bat in your hands now anymore, swing it, and sort of re-live the past anymore thinking "wow, Joe did some work with this"...

[Orioles1954]

Donruss cut this bat up in the early 2000s. There are not many bats being processed by the companies at this point as the modern hobby simply has moved on.

[E93]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Well, not to argue but there is more than one Joe Jackson bat. .

Actually, I don't think that is true. I think there were two. Now there is one. Maybe the bat collectors know more about this. There was the black betsy and one other that sold a couple of years ago (this one?).
JimB

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Regards to Mona Lisa and Declaration, that's it, that's the only one.

Not true about the Declaration. There are a few known examples, but none the less still a disgrace to destroy history for monetary gain. I do think a wacked up Wagner is a good idea though. That card is over valued anyways and not all that "RARE." Plank should be valued well above Wagner IMO.

[doug.goodman]

My comment post may not make it past the moderator :

A stupid “card” created by stupid people who don’t care about our stupid hobby

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

My comment post may not make it past the moderator :

A stupid “card” created by stupid people who don’t care about our stupid hobby

There is a video on youtube somewhere of the "room" where all this cut up stuff is kept. They have the raw items to be cut waiting their doom. they show some jerseys and bats and stuff. (big names like Babe Ruth, etc.) It's like death row only for sports memorabilia. But the guy who worked there and ran the "room" was excited as heck that they were making these 'collectibles' available to the hobby.

[irishdenny]

Thanks fir pointing this out. It always uP sets me when, we as preserver's of the Past, Do something Extremely Foolish.

Letting Everyone involved Know that we as Hobby Preserver's Need to do a Better Job of Taking Care!

Let the Fireworks Begin

[Orioles1954]

Ascribing human emotions to inanimate objects?

[tbob]

Just a damn shame, damn shame. That's my 2 cents....

[packs]

If it makes you guys feel any better at least with all the mistakes third party authenticators make I'm sure a huge portion of this memorabilia came from a store model or a souvenir.

[Matt]

I missed where it says this is a GU Joe Jax bat? Maybe this is just a store model?

[travrosty]

Here it is

Topps relic room

look away if you cant stomach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzDa5jgVV-8


wilt chamberlain game used jersey (Philadelphia jersey), Bill Walton game used jersey, jim brown game used jersey, mickey mantle game used jersey, bats of Williams, Mantle, Josh Gibson.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Here it is

Topps relic room

look away if you cant stomach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzDa5jgVV-8


wilt chamberlain game used jersey (Philadelphia jersey), jim brown game used jersey, mickey mantle game used jersey, bats of Williams, Mantle, Josh Gibson.

I'm feeling nauseous...

[yanksfan09]

There's actually hair cards now! A George Washington hair card is shown at the end. This is so far beyond ridiculous I just have nothing else to say.

[travrosty]

I expected them to run baby bunnies through a wood chipper there at the end.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I expected them to run baby bunnies through a wood chipper there at the end.

Your post made me laugh out loud. Good thing I wasn't drinking the glass of milk I just poured.

Doug

[steve B]

I don't mind stuff from current players or recent players where they can just use something for an inning and hand it to the card company rep.

But chopping old stuff bugs me, and bugs me more all the time.

Since Pannini is Italian, I expect to see cards with the bits the crazy guy hacked off the Pieta a few years ago, or maybe chunks of that tower in Pisa.
Or some Maradona jersy bits with a bit of world cup ball thrown in?

Probably not......

And I've really come to hate the lame idea that it's great because a lot of people who can't afford a jersey or bat can have a chance at a tiny bit of one. THANK YOU AGAIN 99%. (Higher theft rates have caused the state to make selling used items very difficult. Selling rebuilt used bicycles was a nice little bonus for me, some of which went towards cards. )

Steve B

[T206DK]

it is almost unfathomable that Topps would cut up a Josh Gibson bat... Truly an important piece of baseball history ruined for the sake of profiteering. I still can't believe it

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's probably all fake anyway. (As he peruses yet another auction with innumerable perfect single signed Babe Ruth baseballs.)

[yanks12025]

I think the mantle jersey in the bag was from his post career. Cause I think I saw a post 1970's Wilson tag. Plus I think the Yankee pants should have had names stitched in the pants not just written?? How could they cut up a josh Gibson bat.

[zljones]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's probably all fake anyway. (As he peruses yet another auction with innumerable perfect single signed Babe Ruth baseballs.)

Your probably on to something there.

[sylbry]

Originally Posted by Matt

I missed where it says this is a GU Joe Jax bat? Maybe this is just a store model?

That's what I was thinking as well. Who said it was his gamer?

Keep in mind card companies have been buying and inserting fake jerseys and bats into relic cards for some time.

Just another example of people making a buck off of the destruction of the hobby. Lump card companies in with JO Sports, Lou Lampson, Steve Jensen, Coaches Corner, that p.o.s. Justin Priddy, and the rest.

[Wymers Auction]

I really hated that video especially that excited guy chopping up these pieces of history. I really do not mind the modern memorabilia cards all that much. I believe today there is plenty of manufactured memorabilia to meet the supply. In the days of Joe Jackson and Josh Gibson that was not the case.

[ScottFandango]

blame Donruss/Playoff....they are the ones who started this....they wanted to make a spalsh upon their return in 2001...they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on auction items that tehy fully intended to cut up!

one of the items was a Joe jackson bat they paid around $20,000 for...chopped it up good but
too bad they lost their MLB License before they produced that card...

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by E93

I posted a comment that I doubt will get through the moderator. This kind of stuff appalls me! Should we chop up the Mona Lisa? How about chopping T206 Wagners into 100 pieces?
JimB

+1

[oldjudge]

Is the George Washington hair card pubic or cranial? Seriously, I think these kind of acts are a travesty. If a home is declared an historic site then the owners are precluded from altering it. Why not have a similar classification for historical artifacts. Once declared such they cannot be distroyed. Write your congressman!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is the George Washington hair card pubic or cranial? Seriously, I think these kind of acts are a travesty. If a home is declared an historic site then the owners are precluded from altering it. Why not have a similar classification for historical artifacts. Once declared such they cannot be distroyed. Write your congressman!

Just what we need, more laws and regulations!!!

[travrosty]

I don't understand why they don't chop up a wagner, or a 52 mantle, its the same principle. they are not chopping up superman #1, or spiderman #1, are they?

Why take a Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors jersey, an incredible piece, and chop it up and totally destroy it? It doesn't make any sense.

Let's raid the Smithsonian and cut up Lincoln's stovepipe hat so people can have a piece of it on a card. It's short term, profit driven, greedy thinking.

Destroying our sports heritage and history for a quick buck.

A multi-billionaire could buy up every single important sports artifact, vintage card, at every auction house in the nation for a decade, and take all that stuff, put it into a big bonfire and burn it, because it is his to do with what he wants. But who would support that? Just because he can, it doesn't make it right.

Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park had a good line. "Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should"

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is the George Washington hair card pubic or cranial? Seriously, I think these kind of acts are a travesty. If a home is declared an historic site then the owners are precluded from altering it. Why not have a similar classification for historical artifacts. Once declared such they cannot be distroyed. Write your congressman!

I'm given to understand that it was a nose hair.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I'm given to understand that it was a nose hair.

You beat me to it, I was just gonna type that!

[yanksfan09]

Maybe someone will extract some usable DNA in a few decades and test whether or not it's George Washington's' hair. They can make a clone and see what grows....my guess is that it wouldn't be our first President.

[cobblove]

Why cant the card just be a voucher to own the entire bat!!
FedUP

[drc]

Lets hope it was just a nose hair.

Seriously, how far would the value of the Washington card fall it was revealed it came from his foot or back. Somehow the card would lose it's romantic luster.

Though keep in mind that keeping lockets of hair (head hair to be specific) as memento or rememberance was a centuries old practice. Pre-dated Washington.

Though if your card turns out to be pubic hair, I'm sure Cesar Palace would pay a pretty penny to display it next to their half eaten cheese sandwich that looks like Charlize Theron.

[ArchStanton]

Just think. You could actually over-pay for a pack of cards with a 1:954876 chance of getting a card with one square inch of Jay-Z's real, live concert-worn pants. Jay-Z's pants! Now, there is history.

[michael3322]

I just wanted to agree with everyone here, especially about the Josh Gibson bat. Derek made an excellent point. There is no reason why Topps couldn't have simply made it a "golden ticket"-like insert that could be redeemed for the entire Gibson bat. Destroying the bat to chop it into pieces is one thing when you're talking about Jeter or Cal Ripken, where more bats are available, but to do it to one of the only, possibly the only, Gibson bat, was a step too far.

[sylbry]

Years ago Upper Deck did have either inserts or a contest for entire bats/jerseys. Problem was the people who ended up with them needed to sell them to afford the tax bill.

[travrosty]

That's what happened to the lady who won the gretzky wagner throught the TREAT entertainment/Walmart giveaway, but not a bad problem to have though.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Here it is

Topps relic room

look away if you cant stomach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzDa5jgVV-8


wilt chamberlain game used jersey (Philadelphia jersey), Bill Walton game used jersey, jim brown game used jersey, mickey mantle game used jersey, bats of Williams, Mantle, Josh Gibson.

At the 3:30 mark the guy actually says that they have game worn pants of "Yogi Bear"... I kid you not.

[travrosty]

He DOES say yogi bear, i didn't catch that before, I didn't know yogi (the bear that is) wore pants. He says it right after he shows us the incredible game worn Jim Brown football jersey they are going to desecrate.

Coming soon, cut up pieces of his picinic basket and cut up pieces of Boo Boo's hide with his nose commanding a premium.

The guy at the end says that he has the coolest job imaginable.

It would be so depressing. I still can't believe they do this.

[drc]

One thing is insert collectors don't like redemption cards, as it can be pain to receive the winning item. I recall modern collectors it might take over a year to get the UD autograph card they won and they sometimes received a substitute card as UD ran out the card the won. Some sometimes felt the substitute was a lesser not equivalent card.

Score used to have redemption insert cards for items like signed baseballs and bats, but that sometimes turned out to be a mess as Score had financial troubles and didn't always supply what was won.

In short, collectors tend to like the won item to be in the pack.

I know they also don't like sticker autographs-- where the player signs a clear sticker that is placed on the insert card. Instead of signing directly on the card. Collectors unflatteringly call them 'band aid autographs.'

[Cardboard Junkie]

Let's just hope they don't cut up a leather johnson!:d