T206 antecedents.Photography and Lithography behind the T206s.

[ethicsprof]

I love and have spent years with the T206s but have realized I know very little about the photographs behind these beauties. The last Legendary Auction caught me by surprise when I realized that out of scores of Conlon
photos, I found 2 that were the bases for T206s: Tannehill (lot 206), Killian
(lot 154). I won the Tannehill.
On another thread, I saw Steve Murray's helpful list of Conlon photos adorning
M114 Sporting New Supplements.
Does anyone know of other Conlon photos behind T206s? I know that Horner
is the king of T206 portraits. Conlon and T206s seems relatively unstudied to me, but i'd love to be wrong and see the research. I'd also love to see any research on lithographers who took the Conlons and 'made' our T206s.
Any ideas or is this uncharted territory?
thanks
best,
barry

[E93]

Barry,
If you were unaware of Scott Forrest's site, this might be of interest.
JimB

http://runscott.homestead.com/T206Origins.html

[ethicsprof]

many thanks for the site.
i do see a Conlon 'Bob Rhoads' identified.
i'm still in shock that this area of photography and lithography escaped me during all these years looking at the T206s.
For some reason, i thought Horner and left it that.
Looks like i'm not alone in this, given the 'responses' to the issue re:Conlon
and T206s.

Uncharted territory is always great fun to travel.
Reminds me of the ole dissertation days---remember that time from long ago, Jim.
thanks again,
best,
barry

[marcdelpercio]

Very interesting thread, Barry. I have also been interested in the origins of the photos in this set and the lithography process. Here is a card from my collection. Note the typed or stamped marking on top, "Van Oeyen Photo, 1907". I'm assuming that this refers to Louis Van Oeyen, who was the official photographer for the American League for a few years during that period and worked mainly out of the Cleveland area.

If the photo is correctly dated as 1907, it would seem that there was sometimes a span of a few years between the photo and card production as this is a 350 Series card. Hoffman actually played for New York in 1907 so the caption on the card may be inaccurate or perhaps they just changed the artwork to reflect the St. Louis uniform. At any rate, this is at least an interesting lead towards another photographer who may be responsible for many T206 images.

[ethicsprof]

very helpful insights. Many,many thanks.
This is the first T206 card where i've seen the photographer actually identified.
It may well be, Marc, that the action poses were done by Conlon, Van Oeyen,perhaps others while the portraits are basically a Horner domain.
The latter is certainly what many of us have thought for aeons.
I'd like to see more examples of the photographer w/ action poses--T206 connection but
think it may well be,as i've said, uncharted.

The movement from photographer to lithographer appears to be largely unknown except for the familiar printing process/order of
colors in the process which says more about lithography than lithographer.
Granted I would like to know more about the lithography,too, but am voraciously eager to learn about the artists/ lithographers. I recognize that some may see my use of the word 'artists' as a bit of a stretch but i must say that I
see the move from photograph to the beauty of the T206s themselves as artistry. Certainly, the photography is unequivocally artistry.

any other ideas about T206--Conlon, T206--Van Oeyen connection?
and lithographers?
I understand that this may well be uncharted but want to check it out
with those who may have scholarly expertise in this arena on this fine board.
best,
barry

[Leon]

I think it's well known that Horner did some, or most, of the portraits in T206. Just thought I would add that as I like his photography. Good luck in the quest, Barry.

[rp12367]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

Very interesting thread, Barry. I have also been interested in the origins of the photos in this set and the lithography process. Here is a card from my collection. Note the typed or stamped marking on top, "Van Oeyen Photo, 1907". I'm assuming that this refers to Louis Van Oeyen, who was the official photographer for the American League for a few years during that period and worked mainly out of the Cleveland area.

If the photo is correctly dated as 1907, it would seem that there was sometimes a span of a few years between the photo and card production as this is a 350 Series card. Hoffman actually played for New York in 1907 so the caption on the card may be inaccurate or perhaps they just changed the artwork to reflect the St. Louis uniform. At any rate, this is at least an interesting lead towards another photographer who may be responsible for many T206 images.

I have this card similar to Marc's, front has typed stating Weasbar? (Buf) Photo 1906 (6 in pencil rest typed). Back has in light pencil W Gasnor (Buff) photo. Not quite sure what these notes mean, any insite would be appreciated.