T card era cigarette packs

[Leon]

The packs did fairly well in the B and L auction last night. The EPDG pack went for approx. $400 (after juice), the Piedmont went for over $200 and most of the other packs went for fairly strong money. No doubt the correct over stamps play a part. Has anyone else noticed an up tick in the market for them? They are infinitely scarcer than our beloved cards and now they seem to be getting the "love" they deserve? Any others seeing that?

[wolfdogg]

This thread reminded me........I found a Victory Tobacco pouch at a flea market. The little "baggy" type with the string. Is this the package the cards were issued in? Or were they in the packs like the pix above? The back of the Victory cards have the quote "A Good Smoke and A Good Chew". Any ideas?

[ethicsprof]

I'm mighty happy to hear that the T era packs, pouchs, boxes are finally getting their due. I have 21 beauties framed in my office, largely due to the great tutelage of Jon Canfield, and am still in awe of each and every one---
particularly my unopened Polar Bear pouch and unopened Obak pack.

I, too, watched happily as the packs' numbers rose on last night's auction.

all the best,
barry

[jimonym]

50-pack American Beauty carton. No, not full, alas.

[peterb69]

I was bidding on the EPGD pack as it was the 1st one I've seen. Congrats to the winner. It was 1 bid to rich for me.

[Mollys Dad]

This is definitely in Jon Canfield's wheelhouse.

[joeadcock]

Hello Leon and Barry

Barry, this is Obak pack I have. Is yours similar?
Sounds like you have quite a collection.

Frank

[Leon]

I love collecting the packs but I defer to Jon and a few others for their research. I have done a tiny bit, he and a few others have done a ton.....here are a few more. I really need to do an update to my site as I have quite a few not listed anywhere...(shown before but apropos)

[rdwyer]

I was watching the bids on them also. The only one I wanted was the Dogs Head pack. Wasn't interested in all the other stuff that was in that particular auction, so I didn't bid. Surprised it didn't go for more. I put my boxes up on photobucket:

http://s642.photobucket.com/albums/u.../T206%20Boxes/

[ethicsprof]

many thanks.
yours is quite a beauty.
mine is very similar to yours except mine says ---Manufactured by
LIGGETT&MYERS TOBACCO CO.---
where yours says U S Pat. Off.

As Leon says---I Love them. Great tributary in the avocation methinks.
all the best, ole buddy
barry

The Fatima did contain a card and still has a fully intact tax stamp the others are just neat. Wish I was home to post my whole collection of packs, pouches, tins.

[canjond]

Some favorites...

[peterb69]

This is a nice thread. I'm seeing photos for the 1st time on some of them.

Question on the Drum pouch......Is the photo shown the actual way T205/T206 cards were distrubuted?

Thanks

[canjond]

Nope (99.9% no) - T206s were distributed in a Drum cigarette box. To date, only one original Drum cigarette box is known to exist, and it predates the distribution of T206s (dates to 1898 or so). The pouches were made by the ATC, too, but not used for distribution.

[T3s]

Hi,
Thought I'd throw these into the mix.

[Bridwell]

I have quite a few, and really like collecting them.

[Ease]

Wow those turkey reds look good enough to fire one up! I absolutely love the gypsy queen box, they dont make stuff like they used to. Thanx for sharing these.

[teetwoohsix]

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but where were these packs, cartons, etc. being printed and manufactured- at the distribution factories ? Did the ALC have some part in the printing ? I tried to do some searching but wasn't coming up with anything.

Quite awhile back a board member posted something that mentioned the factories having printing equiptment at the locations.......any help would be appreciated- thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

Edit to add without bumping thread........I have been searching the archives and also went to Jon's excellent website, but didn't see anything about where the printing of these packages were done. I've brought up printing at the factories before, and got no responses. This must be a taboo subject

[willworkforT206]

I'm not proud to admit it, but I'm the high bidder on the EPDG pack in the B&L Auction. I paid way more than I wanted because I apparently got in a bidding war with peterb69, but I'm still happy with my purchase!

I wanted to upgrade my existing EPDG pack, which has a 1901 tax stamp with no overprint date information. As an avid T206 collector, the date info is very important to me as I would like to try and obtain packs as close to the T206-era as possible (I reaiize it's not an exact science).

What's interesting to me about the EPDG pack in the B&L Auction is that it has 1901 tax stamp with a 1910 date overprint. I'm no expert but I thought 1901 tax stamps had date overprints between only 1901 and 1908.

Here's my modest T card era cigarette pack collection. I've only been collecting them for a couple of years now, so it's just a start.

Jon Canfield - thanks for the education you provide through your very informative website. Much appreciated!

BTW, the EPDG pack shown in the scan is available for TRADE if anyone is interested. I know it's a long shot, but I'd trade it for a T206-era pack that I don't have, preferably Cycle, Old Mill, Polar Bear, American Beauty or Tolstoi. I can throw in cash or cards if needed. E-mail me at sschris@att.net if interested.

Steve

[Leon]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I've brought up printing at the factories before, and got no responses. This must be a taboo subject

It's not taboo. Looking at the Lone Jack pack here, it says where it was made. I would guess many, if not most, brands of cigarettes had their packs physically made in different places. The Kotton one says "Allied Printing" on the bottom...so it looks like many packs might hold the answer themselves.

[Vol]

This is one of my favorite threads ever started.
Thanks for all the pictures fellas.

[canjond]

Steve - congrats on the EPDG. They don't come up for sale all that often, so I certainly don't think the price was out of line - especially with the dating. As for your question regarding tax stamps, you're assumption regarding 1901 stamps is correct. Although it's the general rule, it doesn't apply in all scenarios. Overprints were used, in part, to obviate the need for printing new stamps every year. Although probably not to frequent, it is entirely conceivable that a 1901 tax was used in 1910.

[canjond]

Few more favorites....

[rman444]

Leon - I still love that Kotton pack!

[rman444]

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

It's not taboo. I am not sure anyone knows who physically produced the packs or at least I don't remember seeing it. And I should add that looking at the Lone Jack pack here, it says where it was made. I would guess many, if not most, brands of cigarettes had their packs physically made in different places.

Thanks for the response Leon, I appreciate it.

Sincerely, Clayton

[pete zouras]

[smokelessjoe]

While not from the T206 era, still a neat advertisement from the Drummond Tobacco Company. It has helped me in researching Drum Cigarettes though. Shown this many times before...

Thinking of selling this as well, not sure if Ebay or an auction house. Probably not worth putting the lot in an auction house would be my guess?

MAY BE SIMILAR TO THE DRUM PACKS WITH T206s?





POSTER IS HUGE.... 18" WIDE BY 2 FEET TALL



THIS IS THE ENVELOPE THAT ALL OF THE ABOVE CAME IN.

[DixieBaseball]

Ok, not exactly T era, but probably more scarce than some T era packs. (Circa 70-80's - Verly limited production) - Thought this belonged in this thread since most Tobacco brands are represented, and I wanted to make sure Factory 3 had some representation... There you go, Mr. Irby.

[rdwyer]

I would like to see Jon Canfield update his pricing on T206 packs. The last time he did so was his book: "Baseball & Tobacco-A Guide to collecting early tobacco related cigarette & tobacco packs". This book was written many years ago.

[canjond]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

I would like to see Jon Canfield update his pricing on T206 packs. The last time he did so was his book: "Baseball & Tobacco-A Guide to collecting early tobacco related cigarette & tobacco packs". This book was written many years ago.

Richard - probably won't happen any time soon. in fact, the book was never intended to be used as a price guide. Simply put, its intention was to depict each pack that a card would have come in. The pricing on the website is more up to date than the guide, but the pricing on these packs has gone up lately (much greater interest).

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Dpes anyone have any stories about pulling a T card from a pack?

I remember back in the silly days of baseball cards (late 80s-early 90s) you always read about guys opening 1950s packs at shows. It would be fun to hear about some T card pulls!

[canjond]

Mike,

While I wasn't the one who pulled it, the card pictured with the Obak pack above came directly out of it. I've also seen someone pull a triplefolder from a Hassan pack, and know that in the 1980s, a few board members opened some Honest Long Cut packs for the T205s.

In addition, there is the famous Old Judge story where a man pulled an Old Judge card directly out of the pack at the East Coast National (I believe). SGC graded it on the spot as a 98 Gem Mint 10.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Thanks Jon, I do remember the Old Judge story. I am surprised that the tobacco did not stain the contents. Wish I had seen it happen.

About two weeks ago I picked up a sealed pack of Home Run cigarettes from Liggett & Meyer. They appear to be from the 1960s or 70s. While I am not a smoker I have worked in the candy and tobacco wholesale business for over 20 years and had never heard of them.

[canjond]

[canjond]

Another neat one...

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Great stuff Jon!

[mkdltn]

I found this in a google book search, the discussion of packaging cigarettes starts on page 90. On page 97 the coupon card inserts are discussed. The date on this is 1916. Interesting stuff. Keep the pictures coming!


http://books.google.com/books?id=Lit...turing&f=false

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by mkdltn

I found this in a google book search, the discussion of packaging cigarettes starts on page 90. On page 97 the coupon card inserts are discussed. The date on this is 1916. Interesting stuff. Keep the pictures coming!


http://books.google.com/books?id=Lit...turing&f=false

Thanks mkdltn !!! That was a great read, and I learned alot from it. Very interesting. Thanks again for posting that.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

One of two known...

[rman444]

[D. Broughman]

Compliments of Drummond Tobacco Co. Copyright 1885 Compton Litho. Co. St Louis Trade Card. I'm glad they went to baseball cards.

[sb1]

My specialty packs

[jerrys]

http://home.roadrunner.com/~jspillman/packs.htm

This article, which is a copy of my original submission to SCD in 2005, has been on my web site since that time. With the exception of the N175 I believe what I wrote then is still correct. If anyone can advance any input to it I would appreciate it.

[rdwyer]

Nice read. Thanks for contributing.

[canjond]

Jerry - long time no see. Hope all is well. I certainly think you are correct that the N175 pack shown is not correct. By my last count, I knew of 2 that existed, and both date to pre-1883. The style was dropped after that and the more "plain" style was used.

Prior to tracking down the 2 original ones, I had thought the ornate style may have been used for distribution, too.

[jerrys]

Jon, I didn’t see you at the October Hempstead Show.

I’ve never seen any representation of a Four Base Hits pack but I was able to get a somewhat distorted and blurry image of one side of a Buchner pack by cropping and magnifing a scan of a Buchner sign. The pack pictures the reverse of four overlapping US Gold Coins; a twenty, a ten, a five and a two and a half. It reads Gold Coin Chewing Tobacco in gold letters with a black background.

[bijoem]

1910 Polar Bear tobacco.

I opened this up about 20 years ago (I think it was that long ago) - hoping to find a T206 card. No card. But the tobacco is still there.

[canjond]

Beautiful PB packl. I'm pretty sure that red overprint on the tax stamp probably dates the pack to the 1920s though. I can't see the date with the wrapping around it, but its a guess.

[bijoem]

wow Jon - you really know your stuff!

I never noticed a date on the red stamp (I was going by the printed "1910" on the label).

Now that you mentioned 1920s.....

The last line of the stamp is cut off....
but it does look like a date -
and it sure does look like the top of the numbers "1921"
Probably "Feb" also.