1871 J. A. Pierce & Company Discovery

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Did anyone read this or know about this?

http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=4527&universeid=314&type=1

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Posted By: R.D. Cook

If P&S aren´t listed in Lemke´s big book, these should be left out too.

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

I think I have seen these before (proabably TIKs table at some point, an old issue of VBC or something). I doubt they are "new to the hobby" -- someone else who reads the Board will know better.....

Anyway, whomever had them (or perhaps REA) decided to have them graded by PSA.... Now they will probably command some bigger dollars because more people will think that they are "cards" and the population of interested collectors will increase significantly....


Not a bad thing really, just people being smart when they want to sell so they can maximize their return.

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Posted By: ramram

Weren't some or all of these contained within Mark Rucker's Baseball Cartes book (I'm too lazy to go look it up right now)?

Rob M.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Yes, they are pictured in Mark's book, and I've owned one or two over the years. They have been known for a while, but REA is offering them as a group for the first time, so it is a nice little find.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Barry:

Do you know whether they are going to be sold as a "group" or individually??

Surely they will sell them individually (hopefully).

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Posted By: barrysloate

I never got a chance to ask Rob, but I can. My guess is individually. Not everyone wants them all.

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Posted By: RobertEdwardAuctions

The four CDVs pictured in Mark Rucker’s book are the very same four that are referenced by REA as being in the collection of the Chicago Historical Society. Because there are no illustrations of the backs of the cards in Mark’s book, it was never clear that these were a card issue. (Presumably the reverses of those examples have the same advertising for J. A. Pierce & Co. Sporting Goods, though we are not yet certain. The Chicago Historical Society examples may be samples from the photographer, which means that the backs, like the fronts, may be slightly different than others). There have been several J.A. Pierce & Co. cards that have surfaced over the years, but to the best of my knowledge all have been the Chicago team. That is why Chicago is the only team listed in The Standard Catalog and for years it was assumed that this was probably a “one card set.” This seemed all the more reasonable in light of the fact that J. A. Pierce was a sporting goods company located in Chicago. When these four cards were recently discovered, it was exciting for me to learn that these cards were part of an actual set featuring all major league teams, issued by a Chicago sporting goods company during the very first year of the National Association in 1871. I am unaware of any other teams that have ever surfaced. If anyone has information about others, we would very much like to learn about them, both for The Standard Catalog checklist of known teams, and to reference in our auction catalog description. The cards will be offered individually.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

Robert Edward Auctions

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

Does anyone have a better photo of these? You can barely see them on the PSA page.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I've handled two different copies of the Chicago one, and if memory serves, both had reverse advertising. Rob is right that although all are pictured in Mark's book, only Chicago has been offered for sale (is it possible a Boston one was too- I may be wrong).

[Semitar6]

I actualy have one of these cards, although I didnt know much about its history...

[autograf]

looks pretty suspect.......Buck Weaver D310? card with a J.A. Pierce back.............things that make you go hmmm..........I vote Frankencard

[barrysloate]

That's preposterous. It's a 1911 front with an 1871 back.

[slidekellyslide]

That's not Buck Weaver, that's Buck's grandfather O. F. Weaver who photographed himself.

[uffda51]

Taken with his iPhone . . .

[Semitar6]

It is O.F. Wheeler, its printed right on the lower left of the card

[canjond]

I believe the lower left should say Weaver S.F.

[Matthew H]

I hope you didn't pay real dollars for that...

[benchod]

[QUOTE=Semitar6;910280] It is O.F. Wheeler, its printed right on the lower left of the card[/QUOTE

Is there a full moon out?

[autograf]

No but if you look right over O F Weavers shoulder you can see Uranus......
Couldn't resist.....childish, I know. Looks like one of those, "my grandpa gave it to me on his deathbed" resale cards.....

[Leon]

That Weaver is way too washed out looking. Even though this one has a bit of paper damage near his name (only the "F" affected) you can tell it's a much more focused and clear card. From the Trucker Boy find....