T206 green portrait Cobb centering....SURVEY....updated

[tedzan]

In a another thread the subject of centering on the Green portrait Cobb cards came up. I stated if centering is important, then the collector
should avoid the PIEDMONT 150 version of this card. I've observed that approx. 95 % of the Green Cobb cards with the PIEDMONT 150 back
are off-center to its top border (as my Cobb, shown here).
Most of the other green Cobb's with PIEDMONT 350, or SOVEREIGN 150, or SWEET CAPORAL 150 or 350, or OLD MILL will be found centered.
Note....SOVEREIGN 350 does not exist.

Listed below are links to 9 of the PIEDMONT 150 green Cobb's currently on ebay....8 are of these Cobb's are off-center and one is somewhat
centered. We'll start this survey with these 9 and we'll include mine. How about including your Green Cobb in this survey ?


9 = PIEDMONT 150 (off-center)

1 = PIEDMONT 150 (somewhat centered)

0 = PIEDMONT 150 (centered)




......\.......... PIEDMONT 150 ........../




Ebay listing of PIEDMONT 150 green Cobb cards........

PIEDMONT 150 green Cobb (off-center to top border)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Ty-Cob...-/220288300436

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Ty-Cobb-Por...-/130413105728

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-Ty-...-/130497217597

http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Ty-Cob...-/220552474347

http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Tobacc...-/370464979329

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-TY-COB...-/190512374081

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Piedmont-Ty...-/320650424267

http://cgi.ebay.com/1090-t206-TY-COB...-/110493841784

PIEDMONT 150 (somewhat centered)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-TY-COB...-/220743079596


So guys, show us your Green Cobb's....any back is welcomed.

Thanks,

TED Z

[spacktrack]

Ted,

Here's a Sweet Cap 350 that I owned until recently...well centered I'd say. Don't have any Piedmonts to contribute to the survey, but it's an interesting phenomenon that I hadn't heard of before.

Brian

[t206hound]

Here's mine, which is a Piedmont 150 back:

[wonkaticket]

Ted,

Once again leading statement insinuating you have seen 100% of all Green Cobb’s.

A dozen on eBay or even 40 here is not a total sum of a card or collecting market. Contrary to your thoughts Ted the hobby is beyond and has been beyond that of the Net54 members. If you were to poll me on my find of T206’s (1000+ cards) as a kid I would have told you Sweet Cap was the most common as most of them were SC. In my experience that wouldn’t have been false either but it’s not a sum of an issue or the collecting community’s experience.

Take the back survey scarcity list Jim R did. Even Jim stated after years of research that the final list was based on his personal experience. While the list had merit and for the most part was solid once you got to number 15 on the list anything above that could change per collector based upon his or hers collecting experience.

Nobody is challenging that a larger majority of P150 Cobb’s come off center. What I am calling you out on is this arbitrary number that you pull from nowhere and claim as fact. A survey here isn’t going to clear up or prove your statements either.

Unless you pool all Green Cobb’s in a room one can’t make statements like the below unless they add the following prior to the comments below “In my experience”, “from what I have seen” or “In my opinion”.

"Approximately 95 % of the Green Cobb cards that have the PIEDMONT 150 back are off-center as mine is (shown here)."

“I've observed that approx. 95 % of the Green Cobb cards with the PIEDMONT 150 back are off-center to its top border (as my Cobb, shown here).”

Here’s another P150 that is centered more…that’s 2 out of 10 currently right now on eBay not over dozens of year of collecting that’s already more than 5% Ted right now today on the eBay.



http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Piedmont-Ty...item4aa8412fcb

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-T-206-...item230f26a5f1

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-PIEDMONT-TY...item1c1a3edef5

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-TY-COB...item33655016ac

Ted I stand behind my comments seen here…

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=134335

You have yet to address them and in your usual self proclaimed T206 expert role and traditional Ted Z bull headed fashion ignore other advanced collectors inputs for pursuit of your own glory. Nobody is saying that these cards are not found OC most of the time. What I am saying is you can’t just go around making educated guesses and presenting them as fact. Just because you believe in a theory or have experienced something as a collector doesn’t mean that is the standard in which all cards fall now under no matter how many times you type it or survey it.

I find all this rather amusing Ted as little as about 5 years ago you were asking Joe P (RIP) what back his Doyle variation had. Now today you're the Net54 T206 expert? Ted I’m telling you this board is going to your head…I still love ya but I can see how folks butt heads with you on these topics.

You really only tend to see your side.

Cheers,

John

P.S. We can debate more over a beer and that sweet AB460 set in Oakes can’t wait to see that. I’ll give you credit an AB460 set certainly puts you up there on T206 hero status has to be a first. Now if we can just get you to not put everything as fact.

[DeanH3]

[Cat]

[Drew]

Ted

no scanner

cobb green sc 150 off center
cobb green sc ?(paper loss) off center

drew

[CMIZ5290]

I am looking for green cobbs that are graded and off centered. Will offer top price. Thanks-kevin

[Bridwell]

Hi Ted,

I have a PSA 5 Green Cobb Piedmont 150. It is off-center, like most of the others. Good survey.

[cobblove]

Sweet Cap 150
Looks like this is a tough one to find off centered. Sucks I got stuck with the off centered . JK cool thread!