Fake GAI graded Goodwin Keefe on Ebay?

[the-illini]

This thing isn't good is it? Missing the caption at the bottom...http://cgi.ebay.com/1888-Goodwin-Cha...item414e596ee7

[barrysloate]

It actually looks real...but what's with that white banner at the bottom? I have no idea what's going on with that card.

[M's_Fan]

Cards that beat up are impossible to authenticate without inspecting the card in person, and even then only an expert should attempt it. I doubt anyone would pay anything near $400 for this card. In my opinion, at some point a card gets so beat up it ceases to be a card.

[the-illini]

The back looks good, but the borders on the front dont look right to me, and the missing caption is something I have never seen before, even on a reprint/fake. Odd card all around...

[T206DK]

I've never seen one without the caption either. What ever happened to GAI anyway....are they still grading cards ? ughh, The sad truth is that the fakes are getting better and better. Especially the 19th century ones. There was just a slew of Old Judges on Ebay that ended yesterday and today. Made in2006/ 2007 by a card dealer in Illinois or Michigan who copied pictures from REA auctions and the Library of Congress's web site. Hundreds of these made there way to Ohio and Indiana also. I'm pretty sure the same guy sold several Cap Ansons before he was booted off Ebay back then. Making the Keefe card look beat up is part of the magic the counterfieters do to fool the untrained eye and sometimes to make the trained I take a 2nd glance. I wonder how many board members were bidding on the Old Judge lots I wrote of. I bid on one lot that had a player/team I collect. I noticed the other bidders were all people with high feedback and that bid on loads of cards. Someone will buy that Keefe card, but rpobably not for $400. I doubt the seller cares whether he gets $400 or $4 for it either. the dealer that was making the fake Old Judges was making a living off of it until ebay kicked him.

[Orioles1954]

GAI also can't tell the difference between a legit and fake Tattoo Orbit.

[barrysloate]

Is this a fake front glued onto a real back? Maybe the back was from a nonbaseball player, which in that condition could be purchased nominally. Then a fake front of a HOFer was glued on. Just a guess, but what is clear is that card shouldn't be holdered, whatever it is.

[T206DK]

Barry , you may be on to something. It wouldn't surprise me to see someone use a real card that was not a baseball subject from this set as a base for a laser copy or printout that could then be glued to the front. I think it's happened to T206 cards before

[barrysloate]

Dave- it wouldn't be the first time!

[Ladder7]

This is the same fellow that sold me a raw, beat T3 Matty and a 1931-32 Ruth/Gehrig Exhibit five years ago. A favorite seller for sure.

And both those beaters graded. PSA not GAI

[fkw]

I owned that exact card about 12 years ago.

It is authentic but should be in an "A" slab because of the tampered bottom and also there are creases/chips/scuffs that are recolored on the card as well. Obvious recolored area are the collar area (left of button), some of the face and one of the eyes and a few other spots I would have to see it in person again to remember. The Bottom puzzled me too, I just though it was cleanly erased. The stock and everything about the card matches authentic cards. Back upper right corner is missing the top layer of cardstock too. I even remember I bought it for $100 exactly, it was my first Keefe N162. Funny I dont think its worth much more now

[Ladder7]

Frank, And Please message me if you'd rather. Did this go raw with full disclosure directly to ba-41., Or from a third-party? Don't want to start mud-slinging, just want to reiterate that I hadn't detected a shady side of this seemingly decent fellow from Wash state. And, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Heck, I've bought and sold items in the past that weren't 100% original and I'm not a crook. I am a lot of other things though.

Thankfully we have our panel of judges and *Graders for an increased level of confidence.


*Concerning Global, My momma always says...