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Posted By: Shanon Ping
Tom Glavine just won his 303rd career game last night and is having a fine season but has he been a dominant enough pitcher over his career to justify the Hall? Are todays standards easier or tougher for HOF enshrinement? |
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Posted By: Marc S.
there is no doubt in my mind that Glavine will eventually get in. Perhaps not a very first ballot, but he'll be in within the first 3-5 ballot years. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Glavine is a lock for the Hall of Fame. He's had several 20 win seasons as well and a Cy Young. Also part of a legendary pitching staff, that type of stuff is given a lot of weight by voters. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
He will get in on the first ballot. Especially considering he's under no cloud of suspicion where most of his contemporaries that are eligible are going to be. Winning 300 games in this era is remarkable and we may not see another 300 game winner for a very long time. |
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Posted By: dennis
be serious....you do not win 300 games and not be a dominant pitcher? this guy is a lock for the hall. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
First ballot HOF-no doubt about it. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
Ditto |
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Posted By: Paul S
No doubt Glavine will be in the Hall. To answer the second part of your question, I think that winning 300 games in a career will actually become more rare than it is now, due to pitch counts, way fewer complete games, what seems to me as more reliance on middle relievers/specialists, etc. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
We may not have a single 20 game winner this year. |
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Posted By: Paul
He's a lock. Even if you don't think he was dominant, consider Sutton and Niekro. Neither was a dominant pitcher, but both won 300 games and are in. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Actually, both players and fans have thought that the 300 game winner would become extinct. When Early Wynn reached 300 wins, he thought that he would be the last pitcher to do so. I hesitate, now days to say that Glavine will be the last. Because it seems like power pitchers seem to pitch for a lot more years than before. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dan -- and this year would be the second in a row with no 20 game winner. Last year, the leading winner in the NL had just 16. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Becket won his 18th game of the season today. That gives him a career total of 75 wins. To forecast him getting to 300 is very premature. He is 27. he would have to average 15 wins a season for the next 15 years to get there when he's 42. Let's check back with him in 2020. |
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Posted By: Jason L
it's all perception. |
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Posted By: CN
There is no doubt in my mind that he will get in. Peter, just to set the record straight he won 2 CY Young awards I believe in 1991 and 1998. CN |
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Posted By: Shanon Ping
I am not saying that Glavine is not deserving but was he the dominate pitcher of his era, no. Randy Johnson was a better pitcher. Let's compare stats for the 2 plus I will throw in Carlton, the most dominating lefty in recent history. |
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Posted By: Paul S
Koufax is in the Hall, yet if you're going strictly by the numbers, it can be deceiving. Compared to Glavine, for instance: |
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Posted By: peter chao
People underestimate the importance of being part of a legendary rotation. For middle infielders, Tinkers to Evers to Chance is legendary. But taken separately, if each had played for different teams, only Johnny Evers is really deserving. |
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Posted By: Jason L
You wrote: "More the greater part of the '90s it has been Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz. That is a legendary threesome." |
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Posted By: jeffdrum
303 wins, 2 Cy Youngs, no cloud of PED suspicion, 1-0 8 inning performance in the deciding game of the 1995 WS. Plus he has won 303 games with stuff that "looks like" you and I could hit it. If he does not go in on the first ballot I will be shocked. |
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Posted By: peter chao
The Mets are looking pretty good right now, with Pedro making a come back in time for the playoffs, Tom Glavine may get some more WS glory. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Unlike with home run milestones, it's a lot harder to win 300 games today than it was 20, 30 or 50 years ago. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Since that seems true David, I have difficulty explaining pitchers attaining the 350 win level. Grover Cleveland Alexander was the last, until Spahn. |
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