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Dave FThanks Steve. We shall see at some point. Picked it up for $150 from a guy off ebay that was in Canada who said he found it in an old book. He didn't have it labled right...it does measure correctly. With all this talk about doctoring cards though I've been more skeptical of each raw card I get. Keep thinking the worse...with these Ramly's it seems sometimes they will come back as recolored. But hopefully if the guy was telling the truth and this was has been stuck in a book for years that won't be the case here.