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Originally Posted by tedzan
Hi Ron
It is amazing that you have all 28 (Group B) of the T206's that were printed with the SWEET CAP 460 Factory #30, but not issued.
Do, you have any of the other 35 (Group A) of the T206's in this 350/460 series ? I have one, Mike Donlin......
TED Z
T206 Reference
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Hi Ted, No, I don't have any of the Group A Yellow/Brown Scraps. It was always my plan to work on that set next, but life, problems, and the lack of time kinda makes that task difficult.
When you say it's amazing to have all 28, the real amazing part was when I was studying the T206 set and finding certain groups of cards that matched certain print runs. I spent nearly a whole year disecting the T206 set, before even buying my first card. That was in 2010.
By 2011, I had split apart the Sweet Caporal Over Print cards into four groups. First by putting all the Overprint cards that could also be found without the Overprint into two groups, and then breaking the exclusive Overprint Only cards into two groups. Which at some point you named Group A and Group B. The only difference with my list was I had kept the Superprints in their own group, with the other cards that could be found without the Overprint. So, back in 2010-2011, I knew there was the possibility that some cards from the group of 57 cards (Group A and B, minus the Superprints) could have missed their Overprint pass. I had the 57 cards in two groups, one with 29 cards and the other with 28 cards. I was keeping track of the Yellow/Brown scraps, and they were matching the list with 29 cards.
For three years, I searched all the auctions on eBay and other auction websites until I finally found a listing with one of the cards from the 28 card list. The card was Ed Willetts. It was an auction listing that was just posted. I contacted the seller and offered $60 if he would end the auction early, which he did. A week later, the same seller listed a Heinie Wagner Bat On Right Shoulder. I contacted him with the same offer and he accepted. That's when eBay wasn't as strict. I asked him if he had any other cards, but those were the only two he had.
It wasn't until another year and a half passed, and that was when a different seller started listing ten cards a week in an auction format. This seller wouldn't end the auctions early and he told me that he was selling the cards for his neighbor and was only being given ten at a time. Not all cards he had, were exclusive Overprint only. Some were from the other 52 cards that could be found with or without the Overprint. So, some were not as special, but they were all hand cut scraps. The exclusive Overprint Only cards were matching my 28 card list perfect. I won the first two weeks worth of cards under the radar. It was on the third weeks listings that someone asked a question here on Net54. Next thing I knew, bids were going up and certain cards were getting pricey. The secret was out. But I was the only one with a checklist. But it was simple enough for people to look up what cards being listed, should or shouldn't exist. On the end of the third weeks bidding, I only focused on the cards that mattered most and left the common scrap cards deplete some pockets of other buyers. I believe I won all the No Prints on the third week, but it was expensive. When the fourth weeks cards were listed, there was one duplicate of a previous weeks cards. Now I'm wondering how many cards does this guy have, and if duplicates are already showing up, will they turn into common cards when its all said and done. During the fourth week, I was contacted by Pete Gustafson. He was able to figure out it was me that was buying up all the cards. While on Net54, everyone wondering who was buying them, I played dumb and didn't post to those threads because I wanted them to get lost in the mix. Pete and I worked together so we wouldn't be bidding each other up. We agreed on some basic rules. I got first dibs on any new unique cards I needed. Pete would get dibs if a duplicate second card was listed, and I got dibs on any duplicates after the second duplicate. Basically Pete just wanted one of each card, if a double showed up. During the weeks and then months that passed, everything was matching my checklist. Pete didn't know I had a checklist during the whole period of time that this seller listed cards on eBay. One of the big cards on my checklist was the Ty Cobb Bat Off Shoulder. One was eventually listed, and I had dibs. I won it. Weeks later, another was listed. That one was Pete's, which he won. A month or two later, he sold his Cobb. All he would tell me was he got an offer he couldn't refuse. A couple weeks later, he was regreting selling it. Not much longer after that, I was told by the seller that he had one more weeks of cards and that was all of them. He also mentioned that there was one more Cobb. Him and the owner of the cards were shocked by the prices of the first two and saved the third and last Cobb for the last auction. Pete asked me if he could bid on it and I said yes. Plus by this point, I was broke. I knew what I would have bid on the last Cobb if I was bidding, but I expected Pete to win. It ended well below what I would have snipped. It ended and Pete didn't win it. I could have had a second Cobb. I was upset for a couple weeks but whatever, I had one of them. So, at this point, I had 56 No Print cards total. 54 came from this one seller. I tracked 109 No Prints that he ended up listing. Pete won 24 cards. The rest were duplicates that neither of us needed and other random bidders won if they were lucky enough to outbid me. Which did happen, but they payed big dollars.
At this point, the only problem was that I was still missing one card from my 28 card checklist. I only had 27 different cards. I was still missing Nap Lajoie Batting. But I still had an advantage, because I knew what to look for. A little over a year later, a Lajoie appeared on ebay as an auction, and in the description it said they didn't end auctions early and to not ask. It was a very stressful week. I wasn't sure if anyone would see what I knew. The other problem was the card was in a BVG 5 holder, so I figured it would get more attention. I won it for real cheap. About a month later, I talked to Pete and told him about my checklist, since I had all 28 cards I needed. About a month later, Pete sold his cards to David Hall. Pete asked me if he could share my checklist with David and I said yes. David had all the cards graded that he bought from Pete by PSA instantly and not long after that, the No Prints section started showing up on PSA's population report.
This is when things got a bit confusing. A few members on Net54 were talking about how David had a complete set and also got a checklist from David. But the checklist was exact to my checklist that I shared to Pete, right down to the spacing. But everyone swore David had all 28, including Lajoie. Then some members were saying the Lajoie didn't exist because it wasn't part of the big group of cards that sold on eBay a couple years back. I finally posted the picture of my Lajoie and tried to explain that it was my set of 28 cards that others were crediting David with, and at one point I wondered if he really did have all 28 cards, but the population reports don't lie, well, for the No Prints, at that time, since those were the first to be graded and put in that section. There were still some non believers. As far as I know, my set is the only complete intact set. Since another Lajoie has surfaced, It is possible for another set to be built. It would be difficult, because 4 of the 28 cards only had 2 cards surface so far. As of typing this, PSA only shows 24 of the 28 cards in the No Print section of the population report. Joe Lake, St Louis, No Ball is actually in the wrong section and with all the other 350-460 Factory 30's. Wid Conroy With Bat, Nap Lajoie With Bat, and Tommy Leach Bending Over, are still nowhere to be found. Even after multiple requests for the error to be fixed and for the three missing cards to be added, I was told they had it under control, and now I'm just ignored, Sorry for the long story, but it is part of T206 history.
Since I'm having issues posting pictures on Net54, maybe those who want to see the set, can go to the web page picture directly. Hope it works.
http://www.myt206.com/net54/noprintset.jpg