Quote:
Originally Posted by danmckee
Jason, I think I should mention to be fair, that if I buy a card for resale that I do not take the time to soak and roll it or do anything for that matter.
My soaking is for me and for my collection. Though it will be sold eventually as the cards will out last me.
I thought I had soaked the Green Cobb as it was going to be my new keeper card. Wonka has been looking at buying my entire T206 binder with full set and all of the errors and printing freaks.
I have 4 fairly large T206 deals that I have purchased over the last few years and was going to start a new T206 set and this Cobb is the only green I would have after the sale. I actually got this Cobb from Wonka.
If you will see my listings, I try to mention creases and many of the cards I have sold had creases and were sold just like that. Many could have been soaked to enhance but weren't. And I always accept returns on raw cards and on most graded ones too.
Though I would not have a problem buying a card that was soaked and rolled, I do see your point and realize it may bother people.
Paperloss on back of a card bothers me and many auction houses only picture fronts. I got smoked on a T207 lot from Mastronet years ago from this. Though they did grade them as poor or fair to good, I expected full cards. They did offer me to return them so there was no problem with customer service.
As always, I appreciate your input. Even about my tongue and cheek 
take care Jason
dan |
Dan,
It was not your scan of the card that was the problem. It was your evaluation of the condition. This is one of the reasons 3rd party grading became so popular - because dealers consistently used to inflate the grades of their own cards and were less rigorous in identifying the flaws on their own. There is no small irony here that you consistently rail against 3rd party grading and how they do not know what they are doing, then make such a gross grading error yourself.
3rd party grading also became popular because there was widespread card doctoring. Ironing out creases is not a universally accepted practice in the hobby by a longshot! If you want to be a responsible seller in 2012 (not 1975), I believe there is a responsibility to disclose that sort of thing. Some people won't care, but some will. With numerous reports of ironed creases reappearing, it is the ethical thing to do. After all, that may be exactly what happened with your green Cobb that you thought had no creases because you ironed it out.
You have spoken often about how the grading companies would not grade cards that you knew came from original collections. Have you considered that maybe they noticed a crease having been ironed out?
It is easy to spout rhetoric about how the hobby has changed for the worse. It has also changed for the better in some ways. I started going to card shows in 1979 so I am hardly new to this hobby. But I get tired of people who have been around a while clinging to the past and trying to claim that everybody should do it the way they did 40 years ago and that old-timers have no responsibility to adapt to changing times.
I don't mean to single you out Dan. You may not remember me, but we have spoken several times at shows over the years and I like you and have a great deal of respect for your hobby knowledge. I just needed to get this off my chest.
Have a good day.
JimB