Thought I'd follow-up to this thread I started a few months ago as I finally sent the Joss in for grading. Though I was confident that it was not trimmed, the consensus from most all was that it definately was trimmed.. most notably Leon. I'm pleased that SGC found it to be unaltered and gave it a 70. Thanks to Steve B. (aka The Trim Detector) for giving me a ray of hope that the card was good.