Thanks JBirkholm! I guess Jim Umbricht sig is pretty difficult. I knew autographs weren't my area. His autograph is just as clear and bold as the Clemente. Yeah I would hate to see the program cut up but once again realize that's possibly how an autograph collector may see it. The man I got this piece from grew up in Denver in the 1960s. His mother worked at the Denver Bears stadium(in the front office I think) and this guy didn't have much of a male influence in his life growing up. One day his mother brought him into the dugout while all the players(Pirates) were on the field practicing. She said come here I want to show you "something". The "something" being all the players. He was 7 years old at the time but all the players signed this program for him. I'm not sure why the other program is a different color. Anyways I appreciate all the info thus far and thought I need to share that bit of information. Thanks Again, Michael