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Originally Posted by Tabe
And that's why TEAMS are measured by wins but players are judged by their individual stats.
Do you seriously want Ray Oyler as your starting shortstop because his team won a World Series? Or Miguel Tejada, whose teams never even won a postseason series?
Tabe
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You're suggesting I believe that if A.J. Burnett gets a loss, it's CC Sabathia's fault. Of course not.
But when a pitcher pitches, it's his job to win the game, whatever the circumstances are. I don't care if your ERA is two- if you can't consistently give up less runs then the other team scores then you aren't a good pitcher. Each day a pitcher goes out there his goal is to get a win for his team. Not pitch a shutout. Not keep his WHIP under 1. Sure, he wouldn't mind getting a shutout, but he knows as long as he keeps the other team under their score he's fine.
Sure, we can speculate that if a certain pitcher got more run support he would have gotten more wins. Thing is, he didn't. There's no way to know something that didn't happen.
By the way, right now I'd take Ray Oyler over Miguel Tejeda. (I know he's deceased)
edited to add- I'm talking about starting pitchers- not position players and relief pitchers.