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1880nonsportsof "Joe six pack" is - what box for ethnicity would Joe check on his census since he seems to be a focal point of some sort? I too have read each and every thread. I'm still scared of maveric's and dreamers and see myself as a centrist as well. People died to give me the right to vote for president. I have to chose the one I feel best represents my views. I only wish more of the posters here agreed with me on who that should be