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ali_lapointi meant the card appears to be a 4 in appearance not taking into consideration the mark. not that i thought it would grade a 4 with the mark considered. i think the pencil will leave an indentation even if i erase it. i'm curious as to what kind of effect a number written in pencil on the back will have in regards to downgrading. i know off center cards can be anywhere from a 1-3 grade downgrade when graded without a qualifier. what about pencil?