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Mattjoann - it has nothing to do with having the last word - my original point was that this auction ended between 3 and 4 AM because we all knew from years past that's when it would end. You disagreed, but many weighed in that if we expected it to end earlier (say at 2), we would have bid sooner. So if you concede the point, then by all means, stop debating it, but if you still contend that the auction ending at 4 AM had nothing to do with us expecting to based on previous years then it's worthwhile to hear why.