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Posted By: Rob

well written response, Ryan.

I guess I'm questioning the idea of what a "winner" is, and I think many of the players who we deem "winners" benefit from having talent on their team. Jordan, Montana, Ruth, etc all played with talent on their team. If Montana played on the same Dolphins teams that Marino played on (no defensive talent like Ronnie Lott, no running game like Roger Craig), and didn't win a superbowl, would we still call Montana a winner?

I agree ... Arod is not a winner. Nor is everyone w/talent a winner. But WHAT IS a winner? Is winning a championship one qualification of being termed a winner? Is being a nice guy, giving back to the community, being a good teammate, talking to the media also necessary?

No, I wouldn't call The Professor, Hot Sauce, etc winners necessarily (nor would i call them all losers), but they are certainly fun to watch!

Rob