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Phil BI have cracked out several ASA cards- all trimmed. I did a lot of research on Alan H. at one time and learned that while he supposedly started out as a legitimate card grader (and I think even patented the first slab) - he quickly turned to the dark side of card altering. I tried to contact him to find out when he "turned" (I think he has admitted this)- and what serial numbers might indicate legitimately graded cards. Shockingly I did not get a reply. I think you need to assume trimmed in your bidding. Good luck.