I'm sure there out there I agree with Ted, while I would also agree that what a lot of folks consider NM or NM-MT is not close. There are collectors with some very nice raw card collections. I know of about 2 other very private guys (wonder if it’s the same guy Ted?) who have very nice collections; both are older and put collections together long ago. I have seen some of the cards of one of the gentleman he was not to far from my home town. We used to get together and trade cards when I was younger. There is no doubt these cards were very nice. Were they 7’s high 6’s or 8’s a lot of them could be either, I think that also really plays into who submits them…don’t get me started on that.Even My meager collection which it is compared to some collectors I’ve known, has a handful of raw cards that could fall in the 7-8 range. Some of these cards came from a large find I had as a kid, while the bulk of the find were VG-EX to EX there were about 20-30 cards that were really nice NM if you will, a few of the raw cards... I believe this card below I sent off back in the day to sell because it has a double ad back ended up keeping it. It came back as follows. There even out there on eBay I bought this card raw from a board member for $100 nobody wanted it because it wasn’t graded. It came back as such…perhaps an 8 with the right submission who knows LOL?While I would agree it’s highly unlikely anyone is sitting on a pile of 9’s at this point, to say you know of every collection and the status of that collection is a very bold statement, there are still some gems out there. If I have some then the other bigger fish have too….**I posted some pics, I await the flurry of grade critics that say not even close etc.LOL***