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dennispeter,friend is just a favorite of mine from my youth. he was an excellant pitcher who unfortuantely pitched his entire career with the pirates & ended up winning 197 games and losing 230. well, here is where my opinion of him forms. if you go to baseball reference.com there is a neutralize stats statistic. first try it for all the greats of that era...gibson,koufax,drysdale,marichal....then try it on bob friend and you will see what i'm talking about. also if anyone doubts why ted lyons is in the hall of fame neutralize his stats.