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Posted By: john/z28jd

Ralph Kiner's #4 is retired already,thats an oversight in the top of the article that they corrected later on. They also have 2 other numbers retired of managers and theres only 4 teams that have more numbers retired,and one of those is the Cardinals who have 1 more retired number and who retired a number for their owner he never wore,and the Giants who retired names of players who never had numbers,otherwise they also have less. The Dodgers legitimately have more retired numbers,tho Jim Gilliam is a stretch(without him theyre also even with the Pirates) and the Yankees will retire anyone's number.

I think the Pirates are in line with retired numbers and might be better off doing something like the Phillies have with their own hall of fame section in CF where they put in players who werent superstars but important to team history. If youve ever been to PNC Park youll see that the Pirates dont forget where they came from between all the statues and banners and pictures around the stadium and the giveaways and merchandise.Theyve played so bad recently that they like to remind people of the past alot.