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randstir the pot? i think your login name says it for you. who cares what Forman does with his cards...i only care about the cards i buy or have graded. If you think PSA is perfect, enjoy, i am sure their relationship with Memory Lane's new cert #ers and the trimmed Wagner have no effect on collectors opinions about them. So stay away from SGC and explain why PSA is losing highend business to them as the original POST asks. Oh, and go ahead and ask Forman about his cards, along with Cohen (Memory Lane), Mastro about the Wagner, Doug Allen about disclosing doctored cards, and every dealer that handled T206's in the 1970's & 80's.