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Posted By: Scott Elkins

Like I have stated SEVERAL times - I don't know how these Piedmont Wagners were printed. I do know they exist, as I have seen two - years ago. I don't even know where they are today. I have also heard (from others and the owners of the two I saw), that these were Piedmont Wagners printed in the 1950's. After you look real close at one you will notice differences between these (and the ones now being sold as legit) and the Sweet Caporal Wagners. Some say this is because these cards were printer's scrap - others (myself included) say it is b/c they are not period. Again, I don't know anything about how these were printed (the 50's Piedmont Wagners). I don't know anything about the printing plates. I do know they exist. I do know that these Piedmont Wagners being sold as period look different than SC 150 Wagners - Leon even saw one in person and noted the back looked "lighter". Some think they are scrap and some think they are not period - to each his own.

BTW - I think a lot of you coming in at the end of this argument are getting things mixed up. It sounds to me like a few of you are referring to Scott's remarks as if he was talking about the PSA 8 Piedmont Wagner - he was NOT - he was rerring to a low grade ungraded example Mastro sold that Mastro stated had some "Wet Sheet Transfer" on the card - but looked like a dirty card to me from the poor scan.

One thing I have learned arguing the PSA 8 Wagner or any Piedmont Wagner being sold as real over the years - I haven't seen many people at all stray from their original impressions. Until one side can provide 100% proof to support their theory, we are all just wasting our breath, b/c the other side will not give. I thought posting back scans of a real Piedmont and the back of the PSA 8 Piedmont Wagner would show some terrific proof for my statement (especially where the small detailed lines on the PSA 8 Wagner are "bunched together" like it was copied from something). The scans might have made some people think - might have even put a question mark in some people's minds. However, it didn't sway people to change their opinion of the Wagner. I would say that if the Wagner was proven 100% to have come from the 1950's, some would still believe it is real. Again, we will simply have to agree to disagree at present on this issue it seems.