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Fred CEd, that's probably the best analogy we'll see. People always leave Musial off their all-time lists. Oh yeah, he's that guy that hit a ton for that team in the mid west... Spahn, oh yeah, he's that guy that won a ton for that team in the mid west. Could you imagine all the buzz about these guys if they were ex-Yankees? People may not realize this but Musial was one HR away in 1948 from leading the league in 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, B-AVE and Slugging%... but then again this is about Spahn - a pitcher that won over 20 games a year in 13 different seasons....