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mikethe funny thing is that guys like wayne varner who bought alot of stuff raw in the 70's and early 80's. he has since had alot graded, received his psa and gai 9's, and still puts ridiculous prices on things. he has nothing into these raw cards that he bought 25+ years ago, but still won't give you a decent price. he doesn't need the money so he could care less if the card sits in his inventory for years. he will either get his price or he will have the card buried with him.