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DaveMy Brother and I were the ones that bought the N172 Flint card for $250. I haven't seen the card in person yet, but my brother says it is very easy to see that the back is a totally different type of papaer than all our other Old Judges....he says it's way to hard and the texture is totally different...almost like modern posterboard I just noticed that David Slomer has not put anything in his listings about the cards being returned for any reason. If the seller was such a good guy why would he do this ? Who wants to bet my brother and I don't get our money back