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DaveThats what I would have thought. The chance of ever picking up a raw card on ebay and it coming back a 8 or 9 are slim and none. I've seen raw cards that "looked" good enough in scans...but not good enough to spend the money on a raw card that was being asked. The very best I've ever gotten submitting a raw T206 off ebay was a PSA 6, and I would have thought a 7, it was a Powell horizontal.