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Posted By: howard

Doc Cramer surely does not belong in the Hall. He played in a great hitters era but had no power, didn't take many walks, was a poor base stealer and even though his best asset was his BA he did not even hit .300 for his career. Forgotten OFs of the same era such as Wally Berger and Bob Johnson were much better players although their careers were a bit short to merit Hall consideration.

Dummy Hoy was better than Cramer but if he were not deaf his name would never come up as a candidate. Hoy was similar to Brett Butler who was a fine player but also not Hall material. Even if Hoy was responsible for umpires hand signals I don't think it is an innovation that rises to Hall standards. Some way or another, before Hoy came around, the umps managed to make known what their calls were.

I should note that the above comments are made with the idea that players such as Lloyd Waner and Rick Ferrell also do not belong in the Hall. If they remain in then yes, by all means, put Cramer and Hoy in. Then make room for Bobby Murcer, Ken Boyer, Vern stephens and a hundred other superior players.