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Davethanks for the input....all info taken. I dont disagree with what anyone has said, most here know alot more than me about the subject anyway. I do disagree with the grading companies though if something that comes directly from the tobacco companies to begin with (ink) should classify a card MK. my thought were mk also meant a mark given by an actual person...not the card manafactuer. oh well, another live and learn purchase.