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john/z28jdRyan
Dave Parker,Steve Garvey,Jaun Gonzalez,Albert Belle had 5 top 10 mvp season
Jim Rice and Vern Stephans had 6
Pedro Guerrero had 4 top 4 finishes while Sutter had none
Cecil Cooper had 3 top 5, while Sutter had 1
Quisenberry had 4 top 10's but also finished top 3 which Sutter didnt
Al Oliver got mvp votes in twice as many seasons as Sutter
Gossage had both Cy Young and MVP votes in the same amount of seasons as Sutter did but those werent Gossage's only good seasons.Goose had 9 all-star appearances while Sutter didnt even have 9 good seasons.Im taking Goose anyday between the 2
baseball-reference has stats listed for mvp shares and Sutter is ranked tied for 187(obviously any player before mvp awards were announced arent included)
All those guys mentioned above arent hall of famers.For some reason and it has to be an inside joke by now otherwise no ones reading what i write,i never ever said Wetteland deserved to be a hall of famer so he shouldnt be compared to Sutter other than to say why one is or isnt 400 votes better than the other.Wetteland had 4 seasons with MVP votes and 5 ist place finishes, 6 mvp vote seasons for Sutter and 1 1st place club. That 5 to 1 closes the mvp voting gap for me.Wetteland had 9 top 5 save seasons to 8 for Sutter,blah blah blah blah blah all the other stuff i said that can be read above and after all that all i was trying to say is there isnt an obvious 400 vote difference between the 2 players.
I did say id take Wettelands career but thats common sense because everyone wants to close for a winning club rather than a loser.Sutter pitched for teams over his 12 years that were 111 games under .500,Wetteland's teams over a 12 year span were 152 games over .500.....i'll take the latter anyday,plus the more quality seasons(9-7).Sutter was a specialty player who was real good for 5 seasons at his specialty,but any day id take a great starter over a great reliever so to be a hall of fame closer you have to look better than John Wetteland on paper.Its a total joke to consider him equal to everyday players that were numerous time all-stars or starting pitchers who won over 250 games(Morris,Blyleven,John,Kaat)
How come almost everyone ignores the Quisenberry comparison and keeps going back to Wetteland when the only reason i mentioned him was because of what Jay said? This is definitely my last post on this because theres nothing else i can say and no other way to break it down for everyone unless i come to your house and point to stuff for people